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ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭✭

What is your opinion whether this 1855 C is CAC worthy or not. The Charlotte Mint is known for weak strikes during this time.


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    ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭✭

    58 - I like it better than the 61 currently being auctioned.

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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2019 6:52AM


    Is the strike doubling extreme here?

    Reduced exposure and highlights for Mr Poindexter

    LCoopie = Les
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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Exbrit said:
    58 - I like it better than the 61 currently being auctioned.

    It looks AU55 or better to me, so I’d try it, if there are no issues being masked by the images.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You'll never know for sure unless you send it in...to follow up on MFeld's point it is very difficult to access without seeing the coin in hand...

    In his recent article on gold coins and CAC, DW said:

    "I find CAC’s understanding of the vicissitudes of luster to be their strongest point in analyzing a specific coin. CAC will reject a coin for having inferior luster for the assigned grade and this means that they are especially hard on coins grading AU58 through MS62."

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jonruns said:
    You'll never know for sure unless you send it in...to follow up on MFeld's point it is very difficult to access without seeing the coin in hand...

    In his recent article on gold coins and CAC, DW said:

    "I find CAC’s understanding of the vicissitudes of luster to be their strongest point in analyzing a specific coin. CAC will reject a coin for having inferior luster for the assigned grade and this means that they are especially hard on coins grading AU58 through MS62."

    What DW fails to mention is that there is often NO DIFFERENCE between the two grades at the major TPGS's. This is because long ago the standards for Mint State were changed. Usually, a gold coin needs to have very obvious friction wear to be downgraded as an AU.

    IMO, If the strike on the reverse would have been better, this coin may have reached the VALUE of an MS coin and received the grade. I don't see a downside of trying for a sticker.

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Impossible to judge the surfaces from the photo

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    Wahoo554Wahoo554 Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jonruns said:
    You'll never know for sure unless you send it in...to follow up on MFeld's point it is very difficult to access without seeing the coin in hand...

    In his recent article on gold coins and CAC, DW said:

    "I find CAC’s understanding of the vicissitudes of luster to be their strongest point in analyzing a specific coin. CAC will reject a coin for having inferior luster for the assigned grade and this means that they are especially hard on coins grading AU58 through MS62."

    Which DW article was this?

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wahoo554 said:

    @jonruns said:
    You'll never know for sure unless you send it in...to follow up on MFeld's point it is very difficult to access without seeing the coin in hand...

    In his recent article on gold coins and CAC, DW said:

    "I find CAC’s understanding of the vicissitudes of luster to be their strongest point in analyzing a specific coin. CAC will reject a coin for having inferior luster for the assigned grade and this means that they are especially hard on coins grading AU58 through MS62."

    Which DW article was this?

    Recent blog on CAC standards

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    Wahoo554Wahoo554 Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the link @jonruns Good article.

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    Owen1793Owen1793 Posts: 368 ✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @jonruns said:
    You'll never know for sure unless you send it in...to follow up on MFeld's point it is very difficult to access without seeing the coin in hand...

    In his recent article on gold coins and CAC, DW said:

    "I find CAC’s understanding of the vicissitudes of luster to be their strongest point in analyzing a specific coin. CAC will reject a coin for having inferior luster for the assigned grade and this means that they are especially hard on coins grading AU58 through MS62."

    What DW fails to mention is that there is often NO DIFFERENCE between the two grades at the major TPGS's. This is because long ago the standards for Mint State were changed. Usually, a gold coin needs to have very obvious friction wear to be downgraded as an AU.

    IMO, If the strike on the reverse would have been better, this coin may have reached the VALUE of an MS coin and received the grade. I don't see a downside of trying for a sticker.

    If I am understanding correctly you're saying that there is no difference between AU58 and MS62 at major TPG's?

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just judging from the picture and past CAC winners/not winners....I would say no....If you send it in, please let us know the results. Cheers, RickO

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 9,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Go for it - worth a shot.

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    Go for it - worth a shot.

    I agree!

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    KliaoKliao Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Go for it!

    I like the doubling on the obverse

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    skier07skier07 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2019 1:50PM

    I don’t think it will pass because of the weak reverse strike. Only ~10% of old gold coins pass at CAC. If it was my coin I would send it to CAC. You never do know and it’s impossible to really tell from pictures especially on such a small coin.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool little coin!

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    EbeneezerEbeneezer Posts: 401 ✭✭✭

    Wow, that is some nice doubling on the obverse. Don't see that very often.

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