This 1856 Flying Eagle might fool someone!

ilmcoins · October 14, 2019 4:41PM

I received an email today from a guy selling this cent. It is an obvious fake but it will likely scam someone unfortunately. Its interesting how they did not take the time to add all of the correct numbers to the label or the S-3. They got a little lazy.

Here is the fake he is trying to sell:

And here is the real one:

WaterSport · October 14, 2019 4:46PM

Wow, thanks for the info.

WS

Zoins · October 14, 2019 4:48PM

Thanks for posting. Scary that these have provenances now.

But it also seems it's even hard for fakers to stock non-prong gaskets!

DCW · October 14, 2019 4:50PM

Curiously, they took the time to copy the cert number and provenance, but failed at the coin number.

edwardjulio · October 14, 2019 5:08PM

The bar code doesn't look the same either.

COINS MAKE CENTS · October 14, 2019 5:20PM

This sucks!!!!!

MFeld · October 14, 2019 5:33PM

@ilmcoins said:
I received an email today from a guy selling this cent. It is an obvious fake but it will likely scam someone unfortunately. Its interesting how they did not take the time to add all of the correct numbers to the label or the S-3. They got a little lazy.

Who is the would-be seller and how did he obtain your email address?

ilmcoins · October 14, 2019 5:45PM

@MFeld said:

@ilmcoins said:
I received an email today from a guy selling this cent. It is an obvious fake but it will likely scam someone unfortunately. Its interesting how they did not take the time to add all of the correct numbers to the label or the S-3. They got a little lazy.

Who is the would-be seller and how did he obtain your email address?

From my website. If you want his info to contact him PM me as I don't want to post it publicly.

MFeld · October 14, 2019 5:49PM

@ilmcoins said:

@MFeld said:

@ilmcoins said:
I received an email today from a guy selling this cent. It is an obvious fake but it will likely scam someone unfortunately. Its interesting how they did not take the time to add all of the correct numbers to the label or the S-3. They got a little lazy.

Who is the would-be seller and how did he obtain your email address?

From my website. If you want his info to contact him PM me as I don't want to post it publicly.

Understood and thank you.

johnny9434 · October 15, 2019 9:13AM

ty for the heads up

keets · October 15, 2019 9:16AM

the entire insert on the fake looks..........................fake and not really close.

ricko · October 15, 2019 10:19AM

Pretty obvious, and if one did due diligence, it would be avoided. Cheers, RickO

BuffaloIronTail · October 15, 2019 2:10PM

Nothing I could comment here can explain mt disgust for this stuff.

Pete

topstuf · October 15, 2019 2:12PM

Where did your email get mined?

MFeld · October 15, 2019 2:17PM

@topstuf said:
Where did your email get mined?

I asked previously, who the would-be seller was and how the OP’s email address was obtained. The reply was:

“From my website. If you want his info to contact him PM me as I don't want to post it publicly.”

AlexinPA · October 15, 2019 2:31PM

The forgers are getting really bold. Thanks for the info.

burfle23 · October 15, 2019 5:21PM

@AlexinPA said:
The forgers are getting really bold. Thanks for the info.

Or dumber...
On-line cert images courtesy PCGS:

MWallace · October 15, 2019 7:37PM

@ilmcoins said:

@MFeld said:

@ilmcoins said:
I received an email today from a guy selling this cent. It is an obvious fake but it will likely scam someone unfortunately. Its interesting how they did not take the time to add all of the correct numbers to the label or the S-3. They got a little lazy.

Who is the would-be seller and how did he obtain your email address?

From my website. If you want his info to contact him PM me as I don't want to post it publicly.

This is the right thing to do. The person who contacted you may have been scammed himself.

SaorAlba · October 16, 2019 6:47AM

I'd definitely like to see PCGS pursue this to the fullest of their abilities.

giorgio11 · October 16, 2019 9:28AM

So, I just want to point out that people should do their due diligence. If genuine, this would be at least a $50,000 coin. Save for the mega-rich, the rest of us should do EXTENSIVE homework before even considering purchasing such a coin. I personally look up the cert # of EVERY coin I am considering buying. As Yogi said, you can observe a lot by just watching!

And beyond that, can anyone really be fooled by the cartoonish font (i.e., the lettering) in which the fake coin's label is printed? If you answered yes, you not only need to study the diagnostics of more genuine coins, but you also need to pay a lot more attention to typography! There are quite a few fake labels in the same/similar font circulating around at coin shows and on the web ... Spend some time getting to know them!

Anyone considering buying such a loser, or anyone who is buying raw S VDBs and then asking for opinions, is just asking for trouble.

And thus endeth my tale.

Kind regards,

George

burfle23 · October 16, 2019 1:10PM

I hope no one actually buys this mess...

Hemispherical · October 16, 2019 2:02PM

Report it to Doug Davis:

https://acefonline.org/counterfeit-alert/

Namvet69 · October 16, 2019 6:25PM

And this why I use the PCGS cert app to check the cert# and barcode while perusing slabs. Thanks for that. I notice that many inexperienced coin collectors are overly impressed with the general appearance of slabs in various retail environments. Peace Roy

burfle23 · October 25, 2019 4:32AM

Seller actually tried to sell it on-line but ended the auction:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1856-Flying-Eagle-Cent-PCGS-MS-65-Scarcer-Business-Strike-/183998319475?ul_noapp=true&nma=true&si=6unzy7%2FtrjUCGq21dqL%2FdJ4GYeo%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Lakesammman · October 25, 2019 6:12AM

Interesting - variety of 2013.......

Would love to see a high res picture of the coin being offered.

Spelling edit....

lcoopie · October 25, 2019 6:31AM

Care to add this to my fakes thread?

lkeigwin · October 25, 2019 6:44AM

@DCW said:
Curiously, they took the time to copy the cert number and provenance, but failed at the coin number.

Actually, the coin number matches the cert because it doesn't cite the S-3 variety.
Lance.

dbldie55 · October 25, 2019 7:14AM

I would bet the coin was in a holder with PCGS # 2013 at one point, and that is the image they created the fake from. Then at some point was sent in to get the variety added.

LanceNewmanOCC · July 4, 2020 8:31AM

@lcoopie said:
Care to add this to my fakes thread?

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linky?

i bookmarked it and will try to post there for the foreseeable future. i'd prefer a few monster threads for convenience and education as oppose to 100's of threads. but, just imo.

Jimnight · July 4, 2020 8:45AM

asheland · July 4, 2020 12:41PM

Given the price, I’d hope that would be detected by anyone who wanted an example.

highwayman1 · July 4, 2020 1:32PM

The most convincing ones use nearly identical inserts (or even authentic inserts), and, on occasion, authentic coins that are just a grade or two lower.

But it gets much worse.

The scariest out there? Back in the day when I worked for a company that we all know at the very top of the industry, we even saw one that had a real top TPG tag, and the coin was 2 authentic, grade correct halves of common dates put together inside of a slab. The buyer bought the coin at auction, cracked it out to put it in his album, and 2 pieces fell out. There are many more of these out there, but nearly impossible to detect. This is one of the main reasons that the switch to edgeview holders was made (altho never admittedly so publicly to my knowledge). I know of at least one person on this thread who can verify this, but I don't expect him to chime in for professional reasons. I have direct first-hand knowledge of (and involvement in) the incident.

This 1856 Flying Eagle might fool someone!

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