Real or fake toning, how do you know?
logger7
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Can you tell, or is the lack of certification and a high price the give away?
https://i.imgur.com/N3aus18.jpg
If you enter monster toning, those are some of the coins that come up on ebay on the first page.
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Fake, if that’s how it really looks. Photos can be “juiced” to make the colors more vivid and bright. In this case the colors are way too vivid. Naturally toned coins don’t look like that.
In each case, the color looks blatantly artificial.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
If it stimulates my vagus nerve, it's probably AT.
Agreed with the above. The toning in these images does not appear natural at all.
assuming the coin doctor made colors less vivid - how then would you tell? what objective measurements/tests can one perform to ascertain fake from real?
edit: im assuming someone with thousands of posts can tell these are "obvious" fakes - but what does that even mean? "obvious" - an emotional response to vivid color is HARDLY scientific.
Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
More Than It's Chopped Up To Be
...that thing looks like it was farted out of Trix the silly rabbit!
Then made magically delicious by the Leprechaun.
Anyone who stays on this forum for even a short time and who LISTENS to the ADVICE of the people who KNOW will be able to tell AT from NT regardless of the juiced-up photos. I love this place!
Just coin doctor art forms........ even applied to only one side of the coin to replicate bag toning. The 1883 might be terminal NT, but the 1893 is a joke.
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Oh, yea!
Good Lord. Over-cooked, with juiced pics...the stuff of nightmares. Other than that, all good!
Dave
Both clearly AT. The second one shouldn't take more than a fraction of a second to diagnose, and is also AU Details with altered surfaces below the AT.
Gobrecht's Engraved Mature Head Large Cent Model
https://www.instagram.com/rexrarities/?hl=en
There are clear objective ways to tell the difference between AT and NT coins with reasonable accuracy, that have been written about and described in this forum and elsewhere. However, most of it, just as with grading, comes from experience. Looking at thousands of examples in hand is the best way to figure out what's normal and what isn't normal in terms of AT vs NT or grade.
Gobrecht's Engraved Mature Head Large Cent Model
https://www.instagram.com/rexrarities/?hl=en
Didn't we just go through this?
Smitten with DBLCs.
I swear by the Sunnywood system for my toner identification skills.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Blatant AT. Like already mentioned above, one needs to look at lots of coins/photos to get a good feel of what is natural, and what is enhanced or blatant doctoring of coins and/or photos.
Pretty sad what happened to the 1893 dollar, that's abuse on that better date.
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Dat thing glows in the dark ..... better suit up fist
Ebay listings: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1893-MORGAN-SILVER-DOLLAR-MONSTER-PARRIOT-TONING-KEY-DATE-272/303217476520?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160727114228&meid=e625b2defc7144958136f3933d485657&pid=100290&rk=1&rkt=3&sd=303217476520&itm=303217476520&pmt=0&noa=1&pg=2060778&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1883-MORGAN-SILVER-DOLLAR-MONSTER-RAINBOW-TONING-KEY-DATE/303184752924?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160727114228&meid=43eea3e7d72d446e961ed46b65c948e6&pid=100290&rk=2&rkt=3&sd=303217476520&itm=303184752924&pmt=0&noa=1&pg=2060778&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507
"Monster" toning, but not in the way hoped for....
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Sorry it was involuntary.
DiggerJim
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The Sunnywood system (should be here via a search) is a good method for evaluating tarnish. And the examples above are definitely AT....However, that being said, a real expert can induce tarnish that is indistinguishable from natural tarnish... remember, they are both the same manifestation...the difference is the time involved and intent. Cheers, RickO