1944-s Walkers in gem, now worth under $200?

logger7 · August 22, 2019 2:55PM

Wow, this was a better date for a long time, worth over $300.

I checked recent results, most are under $200. Did I miss something, did the population increase? https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1944-s-50c/6623

Of course there are outliers like this one that NGC gave a star to: https://coins.ha.com/itm/walking-liberty-half-dollars/1944-s-50c-ms65-and-9733-ngc-ngc-census-1276-203-pcgs-population-3039-652-cdn-210-whsle-bid-for-problem-free-ngc/a/131846-23507.s?ic16=ViewItem-Auction-Archive-PreviousPricesHeritage-081514

jmlanzaf · August 22, 2019 3:21PM

Canary. Coal mine.

Cougar1978 · August 22, 2019 3:39PM

CDN bid $210, MV about $275

I might start shopping around for one. Never owned one in Gem. Not something I would give away. Wonder if it would be only one in room at my next show...

See an NGC piece in auction on the bay $189

Yes Canary in the mine not doing do well.

grip · August 22, 2019 4:02PM

Maybe wrong holder?

logger7 · August 22, 2019 4:06PM

@grip said:
Maybe wrong holder?

Both NGC and PCGS gems were selling under $200, generally $150-$200 the last few months. Maybe summer doldrums?

Moldnut · August 22, 2019 4:10PM

Never thought these late date Walkers were anything special unless they had a fantastic strike.

clarkbar04 · August 22, 2019 4:19PM

They are pretty plentiful, so I'm not surprised at the red arrows. 41-s and 42-S are a lot tougher in gem, with 43-S being the easiest of the 41-s-44-s "better date in gem" crowd.

logger7 · August 22, 2019 4:37PM

This coin comes up on the 44-s Walker page:

Kkathyl · August 22, 2019 4:45PM

@logger7 said:
Wow, this was a better date for a long time, worth over $300.

I checked recent results, most are under $200. Did I miss something, did the population increase? https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1944-s-50c/6623

Of course there are outliers like this one that NGC gave a star to: https://coins.ha.com/itm/walking-liberty-half-dollars/1944-s-50c-ms65-and-9733-ngc-ngc-census-1276-203-pcgs-population-3039-652-cdn-210-whsle-bid-for-problem-free-ngc/a/131846-23507.s?ic16=ViewItem-Auction-Archive-PreviousPricesHeritage-081514

@logger7 said:
Wow, this was a better date for a long time, worth over $300.

I checked recent results, most are under $200. Did I miss something, did the population increase? https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1944-s-50c/6623

the Price you reference is wholesale and assume it requires more then a few to get. Also the add on cost of bid fees etc. what does it say the retail value is

Kkathyl · August 22, 2019 4:47PM

@logger7 said:
This coin comes up on the 44-s Walker page:

I see a lot of these errors on coins. Look at the 5 once spot free 5 oz ATB and when you deep dive sure enough deluted by clad qtrs

logger7 · August 22, 2019 5:34PM

@Kkathyl said:

@logger7 said:
Wow, this was a better date for a long time, worth over $300.

I checked recent results, most are under $200. Did I miss something, did the population increase? https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1944-s-50c/6623

Of course there are outliers like this one that NGC gave a star to: https://coins.ha.com/itm/walking-liberty-half-dollars/1944-s-50c-ms65-and-9733-ngc-ngc-census-1276-203-pcgs-population-3039-652-cdn-210-whsle-bid-for-problem-free-ngc/a/131846-23507.s?ic16=ViewItem-Auction-Archive-PreviousPricesHeritage-081514

@logger7 said:
Wow, this was a better date for a long time, worth over $300.

I checked recent results, most are under $200. Did I miss something, did the population increase? https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1944-s-50c/6623

the Price you reference is wholesale and assume it requires more then a few to get. Also the add on cost of bid fees etc. what does it say the retail value is

Just check out the PCGS coin facts page, 44-s 50c in MS65, sold on ebay and HA for under $200 or so. So no, "wholesale" vs. retail doesn't factor in, these are auction results with all fees included, except maybe HA where you have to pay shipping as a buyer.

Justacommeman · August 22, 2019 5:55PM

White coins will likely have their day again

mark

toyz4geo · August 22, 2019 6:08PM

@logger7 said:
This coin comes up on the 44-s Walker page:

That could "Walk" right over to my registry set. Just sayin'

blitzdude · August 22, 2019 6:13PM

Soft markets, Blue hairs mostly selling and no interest from the new young blood. Basic economics, supply/demand.

breakdown · August 22, 2019 6:16PM

There are over 3000 in PCGS plastic and 1200 in NGC. Are there over 4000 Walker collectors needing one?

jmlanzaf · August 22, 2019 6:53PM

@breakdown said:
There are over 3000 in PCGS plastic and 1200 in NGC. Are there over 4000 Walker collectors needing one?

There USED TO BE.

logger7 · August 22, 2019 7:13PM

It's hard to know what those populations really are with the resubmissions. I remember it was one of Scott Travers' recommended crack out plays with the big spread between 64/65 with the 44-s. And we have millions of collectors; even though there are plenty who want a short or long set of Walkers in gem, even if they can't afford them.

Smudge · August 22, 2019 7:56PM

Pretty toning helps, but it is a common coin after all.

cupronik · August 22, 2019 8:36PM

I have a May or June 1989 bluesheet somewhere that lists the 44-S @$3400 in PCGS MS65 & @$7000 in PCGS MS66. The grading was stricter but the money was real.

cupronik · August 22, 2019 9:56PM

I'm sorry, I was mistaken. The 1944-S in PCGS MS66 back during the short-lived market peak in '89 wasn't $7000, it was $7700.

Zoins · August 22, 2019 10:35PM

@cupronik said:
I'm sorry, I was mistaken. The 1944-S in PCGS MS66 back during the short-lived market peak in '89 wasn't $7000, it was $7700.

There are a few ways to read this:

if a 1989 MS66 is the same as a 2019 MS66, then the value is $425 today
if a 1989 MS66 is the same as a 2019 MS66+, then the value is $1,500 today
if a 1989 MS66 is the same as a 2019 MS67, then the value is $17,500 today

Which seems the most likely?

jdimmick · August 22, 2019 11:49PM

I ran a bunch of late date walkers from an old collection the past 6 months, PCGS and ngc, I was surprised actually how soft they have become. its no summer doldrum

Zoins · August 22, 2019 11:53PM

@jdimmick said:
I ran a bunch of late date walkers from an old collection the past 6 months, PCGS and ngc, I was surprised actually how soft they have become. its no summer doldrum

I wonder how much of this is due to collectors moving from date/mm sets to type sets, vs. general softness across the entire series.

batumi · August 23, 2019 2:30AM

A lot of '44'S Wlh's are softly struck-even in the higher grades, It definitly is a coin which needs to be viewed with at least a decent photo, Good strikes are tough with most of the short set S mint Walkers, and decent, well struck ones seem to be priced a lot higher than the 'normal' softly struck ones.

logger7 · August 23, 2019 4:07AM

I had a 44-s that I sent to Mr. Nachbar for an offer with some other coins years ago, it was PCGS MS65 nice white coin. He said he would offer $70 or so that it was a 64 not a 65; so what would he sell it as?

Walkerguy21D · August 23, 2019 5:34AM

I'm guessing grade-flation is also playing a role.

I submitted a 44S from an original roll with an above average strike back in the 90's
that came back as a 64 and I was Ok with that.....it's an easy 65 by "today's" standards,
or at least comparable to many that I see.

ricko · August 23, 2019 6:10AM

Maybe I will check out some WLH's... sounds like a buying opportunity Cheers, RickO

Cougar1978 · August 23, 2019 1:33PM

Yes summer doldrums. Bad time to sell. Good time to buy if can buy r right.

Just hold your ground and things should pickup when summer over.

jmlanzaf · August 23, 2019 2:49PM

@logger7 said:
It's hard to know what those populations really are with the resubmissions. I remember it was one of Scott Travers' recommended crack out plays with the big spread between 64/65 with the 44-s. And we have millions of collectors; even though there are plenty who want a short or long set of Walkers in gem, even if they can't afford them.

Do we have millionS of collectors?

Skrill90 · August 23, 2019 2:53PM

Yup summer doldrums but if your looking to buy one there are a handful of specimens going for under 200

Heres one for $180 if you are in the market
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-S-Walking-Liberty-PCGS-MS65-Rev-Tyes-9342190/113299336358?hash=item1a612aaca6%3Ag%3AOgcAAOSwqj5bWZ0C%3Asc%3AUSPSFirstClass%2194404%21US%21-1&LH_BIN=1

jmlanzaf · August 23, 2019 2:55PM

@Zoins said:

@jdimmick said:
I ran a bunch of late date walkers from an old collection the past 6 months, PCGS and ngc, I was surprised actually how soft they have become. its no summer doldrum

I wonder how much of this is due to collectors moving from date/mm sets to type sets, vs. general softness across the entire series.

I really think collectors should consider that the has been a huge decrease in the number of "classic" collectors. Back in the day, almost everyone was collecting the main 20th century series and then maybe specializing in a couple series. I think the number of people that collect this way is WAY down.

I posted this before but I'll do it again: there may be more people collecting the ASE "silver dollar" series than the Morgan dollar series.

topstuf · August 23, 2019 4:28PM

@blitzdude said:
Soft markets, Blue hairs mostly selling and no interest from the new young blood. Basic economics, supply/demand.

Ahhhh....easy peasy... Blue hairs disinherit the young blood.

Texast · August 23, 2019 5:20PM

Dang, now I know where the September's extra money is going, I would much rather have a full white MS66 Walker than any scrap the mint will be selling next month, unless they sell some kids set where I have to buy a bunch for the grandkids and such, beware when you get kids interested in coins it can get expensive...

Hemispherical · August 23, 2019 5:24PM

@Texast said:
“...”unless they sell some kids set where I have to buy a bunch for the grandkids and such, beware when you get kids interested in coins it can get expensive...

Definitely agree! Right now it’s easy to get numi things for the grandkid, nephews, nieces... no requests just happy to see/get.

logger7 · August 28, 2019 4:26PM

A couple of them have sold in the last few weeks, here a PCGS MS65 cac with substandard images sold for under $150: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-S-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-PCGS-MS-65-CAC-/254323062269?nma=true&si=AxILQdKMZsS9Cvfl6ubuWx3Fff4%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

And this NGC MS65 sold for $220, much better pics.: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-S-Walking-Liberty-Silver-Half-Dollar-NGC-Graded-MS-65-/264426825363?nma=true&si=AxILQdKMZsS9Cvfl6ubuWx3Fff4%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

An ICG MS65 sold for $150: https://www.ebay.com/itm/233323633705

1944-s Walkers in gem, now worth under $200?

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