Grade opinion on 1893-s Morgan

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jdimmick
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Would like your grade opinion on this 1893-s ? Be conservative, and tough!

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  • morgandollar1878
    morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like a nice VF20

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  • Electricity
    Electricity Posts: 318 ✭✭✭✭
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    Looks VG10-F12 IMO
    Nice even wear, possibly an older cleaning?

  • Hallco
    Hallco Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Assuming it's authentic and problem free...I'm at F12

  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I agree with @morgandollar1878–

    it looks vf20 to me

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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    12-15.

  • Kccoin
    Kccoin Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    20

  • AUandAG
    AUandAG Posts: 25,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    15

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  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    15

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    F15. I'd be more concerned with the authenticity.

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    First impression - VF20... in hand, maybe a tad less....Cheers, RickO

  • 7Jaguars
    7Jaguars Posts: 8,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'll go 15, the cheek marks oxidation. Honest dirty looking oxidation with an unfortunate apparent second bout of circulation long ago.

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  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    F15, nice crusty look to it.

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  • jdimmick
    jdimmick Posts: 9,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ok thanks for your opinions. First its authentic, 93-s morgans are one of the easiest to verify. I was able to verify it from the photo before I even bought the coin. Quick story, another dealer, not a coin dealer (antique dealer) bought some antiques from a lady along with a small bag of silver dollars , he paid her 10 bucks a piece for them, later realizing he had a good one !
    offered it to me at a redbook price, which I said no and counter offered at a fair wholesale price, and bought it. I have a customer who is interested in it for his morgan set, I bought it figuring a solid f-15, and can flip it to him for a few hundred bucks profit , but If it will holder at pcgs 20, id be leaving quite a few dollars on the table.

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    With the VF uptick would try a few times.

  • astrorat
    astrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think it's a solid F-15, but definitely has a shot at VF-20 (based on the images).

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  • amwldcoin
    amwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Talk about a liner between a 15 + a 20!

  • mustangmanbob
    mustangmanbob Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So if it is about a $5000 coin, how much does the lady, who was paid $10, for it, get?

  • privatecoin
    privatecoin Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    F12-15

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  • joebb21
    joebb21 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    vf

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  • jdimmick
    jdimmick Posts: 9,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Im pretty sure the dealer that bought it wont give her anything if you want to know the truth. I don't know the lady, the dealer is not even from my town, his shop is 2 hours from here.

  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    F15, and looks authentic.

  • RogerB
    RogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice Fine-15 with possible claims to VF - depends on direct examination.

    But -- with grade inflation it might be MS-63. :)

  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF20, maybe 25. There's much more separation in the hair, cotton leaves, and cotton blossoms than there is for a F15. I'd take an acetone-soaked swab and remove some of the crud that's on the high points.

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  • asheland
    asheland Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    F15 Nice one!

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  • coinkat
    coinkat Posts: 24,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    From the image a F15. If I saw it in hand and it made the right impression, I would at least consider 20

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  • Nic
    Nic Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    20

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  • Dave99B
    Dave99B Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF25....great example!

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  • JRocco
    JRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It is a tweener but I would not be surprised with a 20 based on the pics

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  • BryceM
    BryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I like it at VF20, possible F15, but there's no way I'd sell a coin like that raw. You're leaving a ton of $ on the table if it happens to go higher. The downside risk is of submitting it is minimal. If it comes back F15, you're still good.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF20, shot F15.

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  • MasonG
    MasonG Posts: 7,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I tried to cheat by looking at graded pieces sold through Heritage. Found a F15 that looked nicer than this one and a VF20 that looked worse. So- I don't know.

  • blitzdude
    blitzdude Posts: 7,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    F15 congrats! Still need one.

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  • Leroy
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    @mustangmanbob said:
    So if it is about a $5000 coin, how much does the lady, who was paid $10, for it, get?

    $10

  • santinidollar
    santinidollar Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Vf20

  • TennesseeDave
    TennesseeDave Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice coin. Too bad about the elderly woman getting robbed. That guy will get what he deserves in the end.

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  • lkenefic
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    My first impression is VF20 as well.

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  • jabba
    jabba Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You guys are brutal I was thinking 35 anyway it’s nice and crusty love ❤️ it


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  • originalisbest
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    Great coin for the customer's Morgan set. If asked to be conservative, I agree with F-15. The lady who originally sold it will never see more than the $10 she got for it.

  • originalisbest
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    @TennesseeDave said:
    Nice coin. Too bad about the elderly woman getting robbed. That guy will get what he deserves in the end.

    Wish I could believe that, but...

  • Crypto
    Crypto Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF20 , 100% legit. It isn’t crazy to think 15 but the original skin carries it

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  • originalisbest
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    Agreed with Crypto about the OS.

  • CCGGG
    CCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Probably a 10 but a shot at 12 from PCGS or NGC. 15 to 20 from ANACS or other lower tier grading services. Rev is much better than the obv, especially the rims. Pictures aren't that detailed but it looks legit from what I can see.

  • slider23
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    VF20 and a shot at 25

  • AMRC
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    That is a coin that should be sent to one of the top 2 TPGs. Anything else is just plain not good for the buyer, the seller, or the collecting community.

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  • jdimmick
    jdimmick Posts: 9,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originals best your right, they never seem to get whats coming.

    Not this guy, as I said he is in Wilmington. But there is another guy in town, who has been slamming people for years, all he has done is gotten rich from hosing people.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF20, shot F15.> @jabba said:

    You guys are brutal I was thinking 35 anyway it’s nice and crusty love ❤️ it

    Or maybe you’re too loose. 😉 Please show us a picture of one that’s graded 35 (or even 30) by a major TPG and is worn to the extent that this one is ?

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  • Alltheabove76
    Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭✭
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    Here is a CAC VF20. Looks about right.

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