Opinions on this 21 Peace Dollar?

asheland · May 25, 2019 12:47PM

What do you guys think? Strike, toning, luster, price... Everything. Good, bad. I’m considering this one and I’m unsure how I feel. It obviously has a lot of luster.

RedneckHB · May 25, 2019 12:50PM

I think what is more important is how you feel about the coin rather than the coin itself. I believe you have answered you question.

Unknown · May 25, 2019 1:02PM

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dcarr · May 25, 2019 1:02PM

I like it. Definitely original toning, similar to other original 1921 Peace Dollars I've seen.

Unknown · May 25, 2019 1:03PM

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291fifth · May 25, 2019 1:04PM

A very ordinary coin with so-so toning. Pass unless the price is very right.

Stuart · May 25, 2019 1:14PM

@Asheland I like the Obverse more than the Reverse. — The circled area on Reverse May indicate some Environmental Damage. — I’d look closely there with coin in hand.

In answer to your specific questions:

Strike: Average +
Toning: Nice on Obv - Less attractive on Rev
Luster: seems better on Obv — more subdued on Rev do to darker toning + spotting
Price: OK if you like the coin.

Hope this helps...

jonruns · May 25, 2019 1:33PM

It's a nice original coin I like it...

ACop · May 25, 2019 1:38PM

I have Stuarts thoughts too

asheland · May 25, 2019 1:48PM

My friend looked at it earlier and said the strike was excellent. I thought the same but will admit I’m not that up on the 21 Peace dollars...

RogerB · May 25, 2019 1:51PM

Look in the "Guide Book of Peace Dollars." There is a clear illustration of coin detail.

ColonelJessup · May 25, 2019 1:58PM

Meh.
If it had a sticker, my response would change to meh !

Stuart · May 25, 2019 2:39PM

Perhaps the👇following will be of assistance in determining strike definition...

@RogerB and I have enjoyed numerous discussions on this very topic! 🧐

1921 Peace Dollar - (Satin Proof) NGC PR-64

(Photo Credit - Heritage Auctions)

1921 Peace Dollar - NGC MS-64 - Strong Strike & Glossy Luster

1921 Peace Dollar - (Satin Proof) NGC PR-64

(Photo Credit - Heritage Auctions)

1921 Peace Dollar - NGC MS-64 - Strong Strike & Glossy Luster

RogerB · May 25, 2019 2:45PM

Compare the pieces called satin proof with this coin (which I own) Note the ends of rays and letters, structure of rays, shape of digits, hair details, and so forth.

MikeInFL · May 25, 2019 2:46PM

I appreciate the natural appearance of the toning -- moreso than a freshly dipped one for sure -- but not sure it adds much to the value of the coin.

Frankly, this is a common enough coin that you can afford to be picky, and I suspect if I were doing the buying, I'd be a bit pickier.

Good luck...Mike

Stuart · May 25, 2019 2:50PM

@RogerB Roger Burdette posted the following 1921 Peace Dollar Strike Reference Guide on this Forum January 9, 2019.

The Illustrations are excerpted from Roger’s book A Guide Book of Peace Dollars, 3rd Edition

I am reposting here for your reference with respect to this thread topic.

@RogerB said:
This illustration might help fans of 1921 Peace dollars categorize the detail ('strike') on their coins. Detail ranges from "best" at upper left to "worst" at lower right (reading left to right, top to bottom). These focus on central detail which is the most frequently discussed area on the coin.

Most coins will fall between middle right and bottom left.

Upper left is an electrotype of the original iron cast at the Philadelphia Mint. A proof should have detail between that of the two top images; however, a few proofs have inferior central details and superior peripheral details.

One coin is known with detail inferior to the lower right example: hair and cheek completely merge.

[Illustration from A Guide Book of Peace Dollars, 3rd Edition]

RogerB · May 25, 2019 2:52PM

Yeah, that's the illustration I referred to. (How did it get on the Testing Forum ? Well, maybe "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum...."

gtstang · May 25, 2019 3:13PM

I would pass on that one. Looks like PVC on the A of America and to the left of the eagles eye.

BryceM · May 25, 2019 3:16PM

Roger, that proof is exquisite. I really love the definition of the lettering and the feathers where the leg and wing meet. It's interesting to see the electrotype. Nothing I've ever seen in coin form, including proofs, comes close to the detail there.

As for the coin in the OP, while it's grade-appropriate, I am not a fan of the hit on the cheek. The color is a bit past "done" in my book - original, but results in slight negative eye appeal. The stuff around the eagle's shoulder and olive branch is approaching terminal. I doubt there's any luster left there. Strike is obvious. Maybe a bit above average, but below average for a coin I'd consider buying.

Still, she's a 1921, and for the right price it wouldn't be a terrible coin for a person who appreciates a heaping dose of originality.

grip · May 25, 2019 3:58PM

@291fifth said:
A very ordinary coin with so-so toning. Pass unless the price is very right.

This.

Peace_dollar88 · May 25, 2019 4:12PM

I never get tired of seeing @RogerB Peace Dollar shown above!!

RogerB · May 25, 2019 5:05PM

In the matrix of detail photos, the original cast (upper left) is so vastly superior to any coin, that it's easy to understand the disappointment of deFrancisci and Morgan with die struck coins - even proofs.

Stuart · May 25, 2019 6:29PM

I wish the US Mint would consider minting a High Relief Commemorative Silver Peace Dollar in 2021 to celebrate the 100th Anniversary Year of that classic design being implemented.

1921 Peace Dollar - NGC MS-64 - Strong Strike & Glossy Luster

BuffaloIronTail · May 25, 2019 7:13PM

@RogerB said:
Compare the pieces called satin proof with this coin (which I own) Note the ends of rays and letters, structure of rays, shape of digits, hair details, and so forth.

This particular coin has always been my favorite.

Pete

RogerB · May 25, 2019 7:25PM

Member Stuart has a really nice 1921, and there is one from the old Kennywood collection (lot 795) that is also very good.

cheezhed · May 26, 2019 1:05AM

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1011554/not-everyones-cup-of-t#latest

My 62 for comparison

cameonut2011 · May 26, 2019 1:15AM

It's a little dark for my taste, and the splotches of terminal toning on a coin like this always leave me wondering if it has etched into the surfaces. I can live with the obverse (and perhaps even appreciate its originality), but the reverse is a major turn off for me. I would pass.

ricko · May 26, 2019 5:26AM

I have seen many '21 Peace Dollars during my search for one... That is one I would quickly pass ... I do not like the tarnish, not enough hair detail.... tarnish covering a lot of dings/chatter....I am picky...Cheers, RickO

bestday · May 26, 2019 7:49AM

@Stuart said:
@Asheland I like the Obverse more than the Reverse. — The circled area on Reverse May indicate some Environmental Damage. — I’d look closely there with coin in hand.

In answer to your specific questions:

Strike: Average +
Toning: Nice on Obv - Less attractive on Rev
Luster: seems better on Obv — more subdued on Rev do to darker toning + spotting
Price: OK if you like the coin.

Hope this helps...

nice eye.... it is a pass... ideas translating letters next to price

Cougar1978 · May 26, 2019 8:06AM

Like it

johnny9434 · May 26, 2019 11:21AM

Looks ok to me. For the right price I might grab it. Jmo

RogerB · May 26, 2019 12:16PM

For those searching for 1921 Peace dollars with unusual detail, the most ignored area includes obverse rays between "I" and "E." Virtually ALL 1 million+ coins have flat rays with little or no internal detail. But if you look at the cast, or the 1st coin I posted, you will see that rays and letters have rounded upper surfaces, and details not visible on any of the coins either posted or found offered for sale.

If a "2021" version is produced, I hope the US Mint will go back to the cast and recover all of the missing details. if they do - and maintain sharp character and detail edges - the result will be spectacular. It will also serve to partially vindicate deFrancisci's work.

thisistheshow · May 26, 2019 2:17PM

If I had enough money to own multiple 1921 Peace Dollars- yes

If it's going to be my only 1921 Peace Dollar- no.

asheland · May 26, 2019 3:08PM

Thanks everyone for the comments. I am going to pass, mostly based on the toning. It's a bit more than I typically like.
Great discussions on this one!

thisistheshow · May 26, 2019 3:13PM

@asheland said:
Thanks everyone for the comments. I am going to pass, mostly based on the toning. It's a bit more than I typically like.
Great discussions on this one!

Good talk....

Seriously, great thread.

Stuart · May 26, 2019 3:30PM

@RogerB Thanks for your following Shout Out! 😁👍

It’s interesting that some of my Strongly Struck Peace Dollars are VAM-1H Variety (see 2 of these below). The top coin exhibits light Cameo Contrast between devices and fields that is discernible in the top set of photos.

I admire these for their Satiny to Glossy field surface luster, although they don’t seem to be the Strongest Struck examples.

The Strongest Struck ones seem to predominantly be other VAM varieties.

Bottom line is that it’s difficult to get the proper combination of all the above in a single 1921 Peace Dollar.

> @RogerB said:

Member Stuart has a really nice 1921, and there is one from the old Kennywood collection (lot 795) that is also very good.

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