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Opinions on this 21 Peace Dollar?
asheland
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What do you guys think? Strike, toning, luster, price... Everything. Good, bad. I’m considering this one and I’m unsure how I feel. It obviously has a lot of luster.
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I think what is more important is how you feel about the coin rather than the coin itself. I believe you have answered you question.
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I like it. Definitely original toning, similar to other original 1921 Peace Dollars I've seen.
A very ordinary coin with so-so toning. Pass unless the price is very right.
@Asheland I like the Obverse more than the Reverse. — The circled area on Reverse May indicate some Environmental Damage. — I’d look closely there with coin in hand.
In answer to your specific questions:
Strike: Average +
Toning: Nice on Obv - Less attractive on Rev
Luster: seems better on Obv — more subdued on Rev do to darker toning + spotting
Price: OK if you like the coin.
Hope this helps...
Stuart
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It's a nice original coin I like it...
I have Stuarts thoughts too
My friend looked at it earlier and said the strike was excellent. I thought the same but will admit I’m not that up on the 21 Peace dollars...
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Look in the "Guide Book of Peace Dollars." There is a clear illustration of coin detail.
Meh.
If it had a sticker, my response would change to meh !
Perhaps the👇following will be of assistance in determining strike definition...
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1921 Peace Dollar - (Satin Proof) NGC PR-64
(Photo Credit - Heritage Auctions)
1921 Peace Dollar - NGC MS-64 - Strong Strike & Glossy Luster
1921 Peace Dollar - (Satin Proof) NGC PR-64
(Photo Credit - Heritage Auctions)
1921 Peace Dollar - NGC MS-64 - Strong Strike & Glossy Luster
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
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Compare the pieces called satin proof with this coin (which I own) Note the ends of rays and letters, structure of rays, shape of digits, hair details, and so forth.
I appreciate the natural appearance of the toning -- moreso than a freshly dipped one for sure -- but not sure it adds much to the value of the coin.
Frankly, this is a common enough coin that you can afford to be picky, and I suspect if I were doing the buying, I'd be a bit pickier.
Good luck...Mike
@RogerB Roger Burdette posted the following 1921 Peace Dollar Strike Reference Guide on this Forum January 9, 2019.
The Illustrations are excerpted from Roger’s book A Guide Book of Peace Dollars, 3rd Edition
I am reposting here for your reference with respect to this thread topic.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
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Yeah, that's the illustration I referred to. (How did it get on the Testing Forum ? Well, maybe "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum...."
I would pass on that one. Looks like PVC on the A of America and to the left of the eagles eye.
Roger, that proof is exquisite. I really love the definition of the lettering and the feathers where the leg and wing meet. It's interesting to see the electrotype. Nothing I've ever seen in coin form, including proofs, comes close to the detail there.
As for the coin in the OP, while it's grade-appropriate, I am not a fan of the hit on the cheek. The color is a bit past "done" in my book - original, but results in slight negative eye appeal. The stuff around the eagle's shoulder and olive branch is approaching terminal. I doubt there's any luster left there. Strike is obvious. Maybe a bit above average, but below average for a coin I'd consider buying.
Still, she's a 1921, and for the right price it wouldn't be a terrible coin for a person who appreciates a heaping dose of originality.
This.
I never get tired of seeing @RogerB Peace Dollar shown above!!
In the matrix of detail photos, the original cast (upper left) is so vastly superior to any coin, that it's easy to understand the disappointment of deFrancisci and Morgan with die struck coins - even proofs.
I wish the US Mint would consider minting a High Relief Commemorative Silver Peace Dollar in 2021 to celebrate the 100th Anniversary Year of that classic design being implemented.
1921 Peace Dollar - NGC MS-64 - Strong Strike & Glossy Luster
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
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This particular coin has always been my favorite.
Pete
Member Stuart has a really nice 1921, and there is one from the old Kennywood collection (lot 795) that is also very good.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1011554/not-everyones-cup-of-t#latest
My 62 for comparison
It's a little dark for my taste, and the splotches of terminal toning on a coin like this always leave me wondering if it has etched into the surfaces. I can live with the obverse (and perhaps even appreciate its originality), but the reverse is a major turn off for me. I would pass.
I have seen many '21 Peace Dollars during my search for one... That is one I would quickly pass ... I do not like the tarnish, not enough hair detail.... tarnish covering a lot of dings/chatter....I am picky...Cheers, RickO
nice eye.... it is a pass... ideas translating letters next to price
Like it
Looks ok to me. For the right price I might grab it. Jmo
For those searching for 1921 Peace dollars with unusual detail, the most ignored area includes obverse rays between "I" and "E." Virtually ALL 1 million+ coins have flat rays with little or no internal detail. But if you look at the cast, or the 1st coin I posted, you will see that rays and letters have rounded upper surfaces, and details not visible on any of the coins either posted or found offered for sale.
If a "2021" version is produced, I hope the US Mint will go back to the cast and recover all of the missing details. if they do - and maintain sharp character and detail edges - the result will be spectacular. It will also serve to partially vindicate deFrancisci's work.
If I had enough money to own multiple 1921 Peace Dollars- yes
If it's going to be my only 1921 Peace Dollar- no.
Thanks everyone for the comments. I am going to pass, mostly based on the toning. It's a bit more than I typically like.
Great discussions on this one!
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Good talk....
Seriously, great thread.
@RogerB Thanks for your following Shout Out! 😁👍
It’s interesting that some of my Strongly Struck Peace Dollars are VAM-1H Variety (see 2 of these below). The top coin exhibits light Cameo Contrast between devices and fields that is discernible in the top set of photos.
I admire these for their Satiny to Glossy field surface luster, although they don’t seem to be the Strongest Struck examples.
The Strongest Struck ones seem to predominantly be other VAM varieties.
Bottom line is that it’s difficult to get the proper combination of all the above in a single 1921 Peace Dollar.
> @RogerB said:
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
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