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1944 Walking Liberty wavy pattern


Any idea what this might be from? The coin is in bad condition, but the wavy pattern in the background seems to be a natural part of the coin.

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    ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sediment flow from a small but bustling creek

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    CollectorBonEZCollectorBonEZ Posts: 374 ✭✭✭✭

    @ACop said:
    Sediment flow from a small but bustling creek

    Ok that's a possibility, but what about the raised areas around the wing tips on the reverse that is not a wearing away of metal. It seems to be protruding from the original strike of the coin.

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    RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Metal flow from strike... Sorry man but this is just a run of the mill well circulated 44 Walker. Appears the coin has lived life to the fullest. Throw it in a book or in the silver stack and keep on looking...

    NBL
    J

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019 10:06PM

    Environmental damage if it's real...

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,199 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I question its authenticity.

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    clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019 10:38PM

    The lower stem of that 9 is pretty long, it should not stick out past the upper loop of the 9.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I question its authenticity.

    Agree---it may be worth more as a (probably) lead contemporary counterfeit.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 43,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a lead counterfeit. Did you weight it?

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CollectorBonEZ

    Going to the basics and the easiest to do: weigh it as @jmlanzaf mentioned, use a magnet, and measure the diameter.

    From Coin Facts:

    EDGE: Reeded
    DIAMETER: 30.00 millimeters
    WEIGHT: 12.50 grams
    MINTAGE: 28,206,000
    MINT: Philadelphia
    METAL: 90% Silver, 10% Copper

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The edge visible in the 2nd photo looks bad. Likely cast forgery.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a fake WLH.... Indications listed above.... Cheers, RickO

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    CollectorBonEZCollectorBonEZ Posts: 374 ✭✭✭✭

    Cull or counterfeit? The diameter is 29.6 mm.

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019 5:17AM

    @CollectorBonEZ said:

    Cull or counterfeit? The diameter is 29.6 mm.

    The numbers are off, what about attraction to a magnet? Neodymium’s are best.

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    CollectorBonEZCollectorBonEZ Posts: 374 ✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:

    @CollectorBonEZ said:

    Cull or counterfeit? The diameter is 29.6 mm.

    The numbers are off, what about attraction to a magnet? Neodymium’s are best.

    It is non magnetic. No reaction what so ever from the magnets.

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Weight off, diameter off, surface of coins is “weird” as if it was done to hide something.

    Try an edge pic as @jbk mentioned.

    Don’t know how much time you want to spend on this but take it to a shop with “machine” and see what it says for silver content.

    So many things to say this is not real, but up to you to check further, the only thing left would be sending to a TPGS for authentication.

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    CollectorBonEZCollectorBonEZ Posts: 374 ✭✭✭✭

    I was just curious as to what would cause the wavy patterns if it is real. Either way it is just another coin in the strange coin pile.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019 6:40AM

    If you have an LCS with a testing machine (someone else remind me of the name) they can tell you the composition.

    Edit to add: please post the results here if you do

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The wavy pattern can be caused by a rotating wire wheel like on a bench grinder or a Dremel tool.

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    MrTeaMrTea Posts: 56 ✭✭✭

    I’m not a coin guy, but I have experienced corrosion in other fields, and the wavy part looks like corrosion from being partially immersed, off and on. The weight and diameter loss could also be explained that way. The webby strands at the edge of the wing could be re-deposition, depending on the chemistry and electrical charge and polarity of the wet environment. This is not field expertise that I have, but anecdotal experience. Take it for what it’s worth.

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is similar (not exact) to the whizzed surface coins
    that were on the market in the mid-late '70's

    See the flattened date and rim -

    And, I agree it certainly looks like a lead counterfeit.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Drag the edge across a piece of paper - does it leave a gray trail behind?

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,199 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not have a Walker at hand for comparison. Are the lines in the stripes in the lower right obverse correct?

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