I have a few CAC coins and a couple Eagle Eye but they came that way, I did not submit them. I would not pay any more of a premium for a low tier sticker such as MAC than I would for a low tier slabbed coin (ACG etc.)....I would pay for the coin if it is worthy of my purchase (and affordable to me!!) but not for it being stickered.
The only time i sent out some coins to CAC was when they first started and were promoting it at coinfest in Connecticut about 11 years ago. This was done at the show and if i could remember you got ten coins done on the house
eye appeal seal sticker? maybe the red sticker is attractive, but i think that it won't increase the value of the coin. Moreover, i like the clean coins.
Buy the coin . Not the plastic holder or sticker ... Is a concept that most people understand and can appreciate. However most folks buy coins online from a number of various websites without being able to see the coin in hand. When a collector is spending thousands of dollars on a coin it helps knowing that one of the best in the business is willing to buy the coin from you if it turns out to be a problem coin(Which has happened) No one is perfect. But he puts his money where his mouth is. I could list off dozens of different sites and each one could photograph the same coin and inevitably you’ll end up with a variety of different looks for the exact same coin. Different lighting, angles, camera set up and dealer integrity can all play a role in the way the coin looks on your computer screen. Combine this with the fact that there can be a huge difference in quality between 2 coins in any given grade (especially in Liberty Seated Dollars) I don’t mind paying a premium for coins that have been approved by JA. It gives me an extra level of confidence when I can’t make it to a show to see the coin in hand or don’t know the dealer that has the particular coin I may be interested in. He has seen and graded far more coins than I ever have and has proven in the free market that his opinion is worth money. As far as the rest of the stickers popping up now . I don’t know enough about them or who is backing them to speak on them. So I wouldn’t pay a premium for their opinion. In general I don’t think people are buying the stickers . They are paying for the opinion on a coin from a trusted top notch grader. One might argue that the coin is already certified by one of the top 2 grading companies in the world why do you need another opinion? I can only speak to the Liberty seated and Trade dollar series because that is all I collect. But in these 2 series I’d say at least 70% of the coins in straight graded plastic are problem coins . Obviously a person should learn to grade the series they are collecting themselves but grading over the computer screen is tough which may be one of the reasons for the little green stickers success. The other stickers will either get dumped by the free market or become successful. It all boils down to supply and demand. I have both CAC and non CAC coins. I love them all the same ... Do I wish they were all CAC approved . Absolutely! Why wouldn’t you? Dealers and collectors are both willing to pay more when it’s time to sell. The proof is in auction archives and is obvious when it is time to sell.
@cameonut2011 said:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Rick Tomaska's "Everest" sticker although I'm not sure it isn't just a self sticker thing.
It didn't show up in both Google searches I did. Checking now.
Found it. Not sure if the company is still doing business.
Everest coins are "The Irreplaceable Rare Coins" – coins offering you the eye-appeal and beauty that few if any of its kind can hope to equal, that once gone, may never be seen again. Simply put, it is your guarantee that the coin you have acquired, in eye-appeal, ranks at the highest peak of desirability for its issue, with few if any of comparable symmetry and beauty.
An Everest coin is about the present – owning a coin you know is superb every time you look at it. And an Everest coin is about your future – owning a coin whose desirability and "gotta have it" quotient will only grow with the passage of time!
My feeling is if the slabbed coin is what you are looking for and a good price....get it regardless of a sticker.
When I worked at PCI, "blast white" was very desirable. The owner, Lewis Revels (RIP) got the idea to put the % of "white" on the label. A frosty, untoned coin was 100% White. Oldtimers' here know the rest of the story....LOL.
Approved by Eye Appeal Seal™ (click the 3rd image), a new service like CAC that buys its approved coins sight-unseen for strong prices. We are NOT the same company as Eye Appeal Seal™, just an authorized dealer. On average, an Eye Appeal Seal™ adds a 21% premium.
O.K. PCGS. Time for a new slab. Just think of it! The new "extended slab" would have room on the sides for any and all stickers. It wouldn't fit in anything, but who cares.
Who cares about the coin? The new sticker slab shows off the stickers, and what a colorful, fun looking slab it will be!
Trade 'em with your Numismatic Friends. Show them off with True Views. Take 'em to coin shows for OOOHs and AHHHs.
Best of all, the more stickers you get, the more money the slab will bring.
You can't go wrong.
Pete
"I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
Any sticker that is connected to a "Buy Unseen" guarantee is what the original purpose of a slab was to do - right?
Unfortunately, I guess becoming less strict and evolving the standards let the "sticker" guys have a place at the table. Would you prefer a coin that was not stickered over one with two stickers (or more) that guaranteed its saleability when both coin choices met your approval equally? NO CONTEST!
@AlexinPA said:
Judging from what's posted here it's no surprise people have no faith in this sticker business.
That's quite a sweeping statement. Obviously, it depends upon which stickers and which people.
Obviously......
One of the most famous sayings attributed to Abraham Lincoln is about deception: You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
I was waiting for a thread like this to bring me up to speed on all the me-toos that have popped up in the sticker space. I well remember the founding of CAC, and that the Eagle Eye seal was around before them. To my knowledge, these are the only seals with any credibility. CAC offers some form of guaranteed buy price -- right? -- and I imagine Snow's does as well. (Right?)
Do any of these other stickers offer any actual guarantees? From perusing their websites, WINGS offers nothing of the kind; QA says they don't have that -- not yet!; PQ is silent on the topic, though they take an opportunity to bash CAC (https://pqapproved.com/why-pq/); MAC we're not even gonna talk about, because I don't want to get sued; and W just says you can "[put] your eyes on vacation." I gotta admit I kinda like that last one.
To me it looks like the first two endeavors I mentioned actually addressed a market need by providing an actual backing for strong coins. All the rest of them just think they can get a piece of established TPGs' business by hanging out the shingle of a shiny sticker and a shoddy website. It's ridiculous.
Ten years ago, eBay helped clean up the self-slabbing space by kicking out sellers with sound-alike names("DCGS" was my favorite example) and outrageously overgraded common coins that used PCGS' Price Guide in product descriptions ("SGS" was a prominent offender). I wonder how sticker-mania will end up winding down.
@BuffaloIronTail said:
O.K. PCGS. Time for a new slab. Just think of it! The new "extended slab" would have room on the sides for any and all stickers. It wouldn't fit in anything, but who cares.
Who cares about the coin? The new sticker slab shows off the stickers, and what a colorful, fun looking slab it will be!
Trade 'em with your Numismatic Friends. Show them off with True Views. Take 'em to coin shows for OOOHs and AHHHs.
Best of all, the more stickers you get, the more money the slab will bring.
You can't go wrong.
Pete
PCGS could start a sticker service for all of the older slabs to see if the coins meet the most recent grading standards. A reject doesn't mean its over graded - just not solid. Think of the revenue.
@cameonut2011 said: "PCGS could start a sticker service for all of the older slabs to see if the coins meet the most recent grading standards. A reject doesn't mean its over graded - just not solid. Think of the revenue."
April is over! Consider the damage that would do to the PCGS product, PCGS reputation, and the monetary pain to the owners of old slabs. CAC, come to mind?
@Insider2 said: @cameonut2011 said: "PCGS could start a sticker service for all of the older slabs to see if the coins meet the most recent grading standards. A reject doesn't mean its over graded - just not solid. Think of the revenue."
April is over!Consider the damage that would do to the PCGS product, PCGS reputation, and the monetary pain to the owners of old slabs. CAC, come to mind?
No more than dealers and board of expert members that implicitly bash PCGS when advocating for CAC only after giving horror stories of doctored coins, over graded coins, etc., in straight holders and preaching that it's pandemic...
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I have a few CAC coins and a couple Eagle Eye but they came that way, I did not submit them. I would not pay any more of a premium for a low tier sticker such as MAC than I would for a low tier slabbed coin (ACG etc.)....I would pay for the coin if it is worthy of my purchase (and affordable to me!!) but not for it being stickered.
K
Yep!
The only time i sent out some coins to CAC was when they first started and were promoting it at coinfest in Connecticut about 11 years ago. This was done at the show and if i could remember you got ten coins done on the house
eye appeal seal sticker? maybe the red sticker is attractive, but i think that it won't increase the value of the coin. Moreover, i like the clean coins.
Knowing more information about challenge coins.
Seems to me these stickers should be placed on the reverse like other dealers would do.
I bought it for the sticker....... not. 😬
Is that one scratch and sniff?
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Rick Tomaska's "Everest" sticker although I'm not sure it isn't just a self sticker thing.
Buy the coin . Not the plastic holder or sticker ... Is a concept that most people understand and can appreciate. However most folks buy coins online from a number of various websites without being able to see the coin in hand. When a collector is spending thousands of dollars on a coin it helps knowing that one of the best in the business is willing to buy the coin from you if it turns out to be a problem coin(Which has happened) No one is perfect. But he puts his money where his mouth is. I could list off dozens of different sites and each one could photograph the same coin and inevitably you’ll end up with a variety of different looks for the exact same coin. Different lighting, angles, camera set up and dealer integrity can all play a role in the way the coin looks on your computer screen. Combine this with the fact that there can be a huge difference in quality between 2 coins in any given grade (especially in Liberty Seated Dollars) I don’t mind paying a premium for coins that have been approved by JA. It gives me an extra level of confidence when I can’t make it to a show to see the coin in hand or don’t know the dealer that has the particular coin I may be interested in. He has seen and graded far more coins than I ever have and has proven in the free market that his opinion is worth money. As far as the rest of the stickers popping up now . I don’t know enough about them or who is backing them to speak on them. So I wouldn’t pay a premium for their opinion. In general I don’t think people are buying the stickers . They are paying for the opinion on a coin from a trusted top notch grader. One might argue that the coin is already certified by one of the top 2 grading companies in the world why do you need another opinion? I can only speak to the Liberty seated and Trade dollar series because that is all I collect. But in these 2 series I’d say at least 70% of the coins in straight graded plastic are problem coins . Obviously a person should learn to grade the series they are collecting themselves but grading over the computer screen is tough which may be one of the reasons for the little green stickers success. The other stickers will either get dumped by the free market or become successful. It all boils down to supply and demand. I have both CAC and non CAC coins. I love them all the same ... Do I wish they were all CAC approved . Absolutely! Why wouldn’t you? Dealers and collectors are both willing to pay more when it’s time to sell. The proof is in auction archives and is obvious when it is time to sell.
It didn't show up in both Google searches I did. Checking now.
Found it. Not sure if the company is still doing business.
Everest coins are "The Irreplaceable Rare Coins" – coins offering you the eye-appeal and beauty that few if any of its kind can hope to equal, that once gone, may never be seen again. Simply put, it is your guarantee that the coin you have acquired, in eye-appeal, ranks at the highest peak of desirability for its issue, with few if any of comparable symmetry and beauty.
An Everest coin is about the present – owning a coin you know is superb every time you look at it. And an Everest coin is about your future – owning a coin whose desirability and "gotta have it" quotient will only grow with the passage of time!
My feeling is if the slabbed coin is what you are looking for and a good price....get it regardless of a sticker.
In doing the above search I found another one
Premium Quality Approved
This is from a post in another coin forum from 2014. "established by Barry Stuppler and Donald Ketterling in California"
Don't forget the folks who will put a VAM sticker on your slab. If you collect stickers.
The "NASCAR effect"
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
I like the @ricko sticker.
My YouTube Channel
When I worked at PCI, "blast white" was very desirable. The owner, Lewis Revels (RIP) got the idea to put the % of "white" on the label. A frosty, untoned coin was 100% White. Oldtimers' here know the rest of the story....LOL.
Hey Rocky... Watch me pull a sticker out of my hat.
Actually I am patiently waiting for Boris and Natasha to compete with Moose and Squirrel.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
I'd pay 3x market lulz
Seal-lee?
(silly)
Eye appeal = Eye candy
I was checking out this coin and was happy to learn that EAS is a new service like CAC:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1880-PCGS-PR64-36-000-Minted-1-355-Proof-Eye-Appeal-Seal-Seated-Dime-10c/273765798602
Judging from what's posted here it's no surprise people have no faith in this sticker business.
O.K. PCGS. Time for a new slab. Just think of it! The new "extended slab" would have room on the sides for any and all stickers. It wouldn't fit in anything, but who cares.
Who cares about the coin? The new sticker slab shows off the stickers, and what a colorful, fun looking slab it will be!
Trade 'em with your Numismatic Friends. Show them off with True Views. Take 'em to coin shows for OOOHs and AHHHs.
Best of all, the more stickers you get, the more money the slab will bring.
You can't go wrong.
Pete
Any sticker that is connected to a "Buy Unseen" guarantee is what the original purpose of a slab was to do - right?
Unfortunately, I guess becoming less strict and evolving the standards let the "sticker" guys have a place at the table. Would you prefer a coin that was not stickered over one with two stickers (or more) that guaranteed its saleability when both coin choices met your approval equally? NO CONTEST!
That's quite a sweeping statement. Obviously, it depends upon which stickers and which people.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
That's my understanding but this particular original purpose never materialized.
Obviously......
One of the most famous sayings attributed to Abraham Lincoln is about deception: You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
I was waiting for a thread like this to bring me up to speed on all the me-toos that have popped up in the sticker space. I well remember the founding of CAC, and that the Eagle Eye seal was around before them. To my knowledge, these are the only seals with any credibility. CAC offers some form of guaranteed buy price -- right? -- and I imagine Snow's does as well. (Right?)
Do any of these other stickers offer any actual guarantees? From perusing their websites, WINGS offers nothing of the kind; QA says they don't have that -- not yet!; PQ is silent on the topic, though they take an opportunity to bash CAC (https://pqapproved.com/why-pq/); MAC we're not even gonna talk about, because I don't want to get sued; and W just says you can "[put] your eyes on vacation." I gotta admit I kinda like that last one.
To me it looks like the first two endeavors I mentioned actually addressed a market need by providing an actual backing for strong coins. All the rest of them just think they can get a piece of established TPGs' business by hanging out the shingle of a shiny sticker and a shoddy website. It's ridiculous.
Ten years ago, eBay helped clean up the self-slabbing space by kicking out sellers with sound-alike names("DCGS" was my favorite example) and outrageously overgraded common coins that used PCGS' Price Guide in product descriptions ("SGS" was a prominent offender). I wonder how sticker-mania will end up winding down.
Rumor has it that the TPS's are bringing back chopmarks!
PCGS could start a sticker service for all of the older slabs to see if the coins meet the most recent grading standards. A reject doesn't mean its over graded - just not solid. Think of the revenue.
@cameonut2011 said: "PCGS could start a sticker service for all of the older slabs to see if the coins meet the most recent grading standards. A reject doesn't mean its over graded - just not solid. Think of the revenue."
April is over! Consider the damage that would do to the PCGS product, PCGS reputation, and the monetary pain to the owners of old slabs. CAC, come to mind?
No more than dealers and board of expert members that implicitly bash PCGS when advocating for CAC only after giving horror stories of doctored coins, over graded coins, etc., in straight holders and preaching that it's pandemic...
Flying blind, then buying blind.
Eyeappealseal. At least it rhymes, and makes it easier to remember-to forget.
I somehow envisioned a Ricko sticker having a scene from the wild west (e.g. black and white old western movie) with a gun of some sort...