If it could be proven to be a period mint employee then I would have no problem with it but if it was a bank employee fingerprint forget it! I really don't care for fingerprints however original they may be. It should have gotten a Bean minus.
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@fastfreddie said:
If it could be proven to be a period mint employee then I would have no problem with it but if it was a bank employee fingerprint forget it! I really don't care for fingerprints however original they may be. It should have gotten a Bean minus.
We need to run that print through the database and see if we get a hit!
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@Connecticoin said:
As is the case in general, an in-hand examination of the coin is usually necessary to assess whether the coin is A, B, or C for the grade, as the luster is not captured well in that photo. Here is a photo from its appearance in the Regency 28 auction, with the "black crap" being less prominent.
Isn't this what Laura would call "expensive dreck?"
As for those defending the coin, it sold for a few grand less than the previous CACed example fetched which says a lot
Yes, money talks and clearly the market discounted the coin for the dark toning and low-end eye appeal. I suspect this coin may have been stickered in the "early" CAC days (10 years or so ago) when dark toning seemed to be more acceptable, and likely would not sticker today or even grade 64 if submitted raw.
@jdimmick said: "The 21 mentioned here was sold to a dealer at the Baltimore show about two weeks after my customers death, and has since traded a few times, I believe as mentioned it appeared in the legend sale sometime back. Now,I believe this coin was upgraded from a 63 to a 64 at sometime during that time before legend, because if I am not mistaken, all were 63's originally. It was sold at the Baltimore Nov 2012 Show."
Makes sense. IMO, the coin was maxed out at 63. Nevertheless, I guess the professionals who price coins at the TPGS and CAC all agree it is worth MS-64 money and they know more about what ANY coin is worth than I ever will!
We hear over and over on these boards "I buy the coin, not the plastic or sticker". This coin is a perfect example of that. You can prefer PCGS and CAC coins but decide to pass on this coin due to the finger print. There is nothing inconsistent with wanting PCGS CAC coins for your collection but passing on ones that you find unattractive for whatever reason.
@ARCO said:
The oil spill underneath the fingerprint bothers me a lot more.
That 'oil spill' appears to me to be on top of the print, and worse imo, appears to be digging into the surface. If mine, I would definitely consider conservation cac or not.
@Soldi said:
John loves that original toning. Nice Strike.
Yep also likes when they are on the verge of being considered terminal toned.
The toning carried the day on that bean and lightly finger marked is okay on the grade
_Then of course you could describe for me, for me, for me, lightly finger marked _
I would not buy it, as I personally hate finger prints and staple scratches, although a light staple scratch got by me last week.
I would not pay a premium for it. 20% back of bid at most.
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the coin beaned because CAC was willing to buy it at the time it was seen. CAC probably thought they could sell the coin quickly with a small markup, which is their model.
Coins that are nice for the grade, as well as hard to get coins in specific grades, are easy to move, hence they get the bean.
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@ARCO said:
The oil spill underneath the fingerprint bothers me a lot more.
That 'oil spill' appears to me to be on top of the print, and worse imo, appears to be digging into the surface. If mine, I would definitely consider conservation cac or not.
It's not eating into the surface as it's stable.
There might have been something organic stuck to the coin at one time that caused that stain.
Maybe the person who left the print just picked their nose and smeared a bugger on it?
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The fingerprint is highly distracting and a major negative. I would pass. This is too bad because, without the fingerprint it is a very appealing coin.
In the early days of the Baltimore show, there was no concession.
Lunch was catered by an up and coming eatery from Little Italy.
Dealers did not spill mustard and relish off of nearly inedible hot dogs.
The black spot looks like a meatball was dropped onto the coin.
The finger print is from the dealer who would not miss a bite.
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The print may have come out after grading & sticker. For such a hard date I’m sure it’s fine.
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If it could be proven to be a period mint employee then I would have no problem with it but if it was a bank employee fingerprint forget it!
I really don't care for fingerprints however original they may be. It should have gotten a Bean minus.
We need to run that print through the database and see if we get a hit!
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Fingerprints are incredibly distracting on a coin...any coin...and a key date coin shouldn't get a pass!
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No.
Well at least they could have covered the fingerprint with the CAC sticker...
Heck then it would sell for MS65 values
It's too bad that a fingerprint doesn't tone vividly like the toning on some coins then I bet it would garner a huge premium.
No
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The oil spill underneath the fingerprint bothers me a lot more.
Big turn off for me, green bean or not.
Yes, money talks and clearly the market discounted the coin for the dark toning and low-end eye appeal. I suspect this coin may have been stickered in the "early" CAC days (10 years or so ago) when dark toning seemed to be more acceptable, and likely would not sticker today or even grade 64 if submitted raw.
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Count me in that group!
@jdimmick said: "The 21 mentioned here was sold to a dealer at the Baltimore show about two weeks after my customers death, and has since traded a few times, I believe as mentioned it appeared in the legend sale sometime back. Now,I believe this coin was upgraded from a 63 to a 64 at sometime during that time before legend, because if I am not mistaken, all were 63's originally. It was sold at the Baltimore Nov 2012 Show."
Makes sense. IMO, the coin was maxed out at 63. Nevertheless, I guess the professionals who price coins at the TPGS and CAC all agree it is worth MS-64 money and they know more about what ANY coin is worth than I ever will!
As for conservation...absolutely NOT.
I did some checking in the finger print data base and apparently this is Charlie Chapman's print. So, the CAC sticker is justified. NEXT!
We hear over and over on these boards "I buy the coin, not the plastic or sticker". This coin is a perfect example of that. You can prefer PCGS and CAC coins but decide to pass on this coin due to the finger print. There is nothing inconsistent with wanting PCGS CAC coins for your collection but passing on ones that you find unattractive for whatever reason.
That black crap appears to be on top of the print. I cannot even guess as ro what it may be. Pass on this one.
I've wondered if they could run these prints through a database and find the culprit!
That 'oil spill' appears to me to be on top of the print, and worse imo, appears to be digging into the surface. If mine, I would definitely consider conservation cac or not.
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The toning carried the day on that bean and lightly finger marked is okay on the grade
_Then of course you could describe for me, for me, for me, lightly finger marked _
I would not buy it, as I personally hate finger prints and staple scratches, although a light staple scratch got by me last week.
I would not pay a premium for it. 20% back of bid at most.
The smartest person here is TWOBITCOLLECTOR he answered the question "NO" period__
I might like that without the print on it. jmo & fwiw
the coin beaned because CAC was willing to buy it at the time it was seen. CAC probably thought they could sell the coin quickly with a small markup, which is their model.
Coins that are nice for the grade, as well as hard to get coins in specific grades, are easy to move, hence they get the bean.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
It's not eating into the surface as it's stable.
There might have been something organic stuck to the coin at one time that caused that stain.
Maybe the person who left the print just picked their nose and smeared a bugger on it?
Broadstruck, did you mean "booger?"
Yes kaz I did, but apparently my spell check isn't Nose Trophy friendly
The fingerprint is highly distracting and a major negative. I would pass. This is too bad because, without the fingerprint it is a very appealing coin.
The little sticker says that CAC would be willing to make an offer to buy the coin. NOTHING else.
Forget about the sticker.
Have you shopped it around the bourse at a show? Their offers (or lack thereof) will be the proof in the pudding.
From the photo I would not have any interest nor offer but would be glad to refer you to some who may.
Ahhhh -- so the coloring is from pudding! Butterscotch ?
The sticker does not necessarily say that. There are a great many coins to which CAC has awarded stickers, but would have no interest in buying.
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In the early days of the Baltimore show, there was no concession.
Lunch was catered by an up and coming eatery from Little Italy.
Dealers did not spill mustard and relish off of nearly inedible hot dogs.
The black spot looks like a meatball was dropped onto the coin.
The finger print is from the dealer who would not miss a bite.