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Do you think a coin w/a huge finger print on the obv should get a bean?

KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would take that coin in a heartbeat! CAC or no CAC!!

  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Doesn't matter what I think.

    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • kbbpllkbbpll Posts: 542 ✭✭✭✭

    I suppose it's "solid for the 64's that would have been 65 without the fingerprint".

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yuck and no. For a solid or PQ 64, I could accept the print or the black junk behind the print, but not both.

  • MrMonkeySwag96MrMonkeySwag96 Posts: 135 ✭✭✭

    As we all know, CAC loves "originality." A fingerprint is as original as it gets. Personally I hate fingerprints, dirt, and grime on Mint State coins. I don't understand how some Mint State coins accumulate dirt/grime on their surfaces. Pre-1933 gold coins have sat in bank vaults for decades, yet most have dirty surfaces despite never circulating.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What you are really asking is whether a coin with a fingerprint should straight grade. Ask it that way and you have your own answer.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Yuck and no. For a solid or PQ 64, I could accept the print or the black junk behind the print, but not both.

    And what if it's a65 or 66 net graded?

  • TwobitcollectorTwobitcollector Posts: 3,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NO

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Yuck and no. For a solid or PQ 64, I could accept the print or the black junk behind the print, but not both.

    And what if it's a65 or 66 net graded?

    My answer doesn't change. When grading you grade the coin as it is not what it might be after a dip.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not like fingerprints on coins, however, I do not assign CAC stickers.... ;) Cheers, RickO

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 6:59AM

    No - I consider that one a C coin.

    The fingerprint then black garbage. Would be tough to sell.

    They stickered that lol? Me pass big time. Spend the money on something else. The coin needs conservation big time.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Yuck and no. For a solid or PQ 64, I could accept the print or the black junk behind the print, but not both.

    And what if it's a65 or 66 net graded?

    My answer doesn't change. When grading you grade the coin as it is not what it might be after a dip.

    I didn't tell you to dip it. IF it's a 66 net graded to a 64 because of the print, it could still be solid for the 64 grade. Now, you may hate it, but grading isn't based on personal preference but market preference.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Yuck and no. For a solid or PQ 64, I could accept the print or the black junk behind the print, but not both.

    And what if it's a65 or 66 net graded?

    My answer doesn't change. When grading you grade the coin as it is not what it might be after a dip.

    I didn't tell you to dip it. IF it's a 66 net graded to a 64 because of the print, it could still be solid for the 64 grade. Now, you may hate it, but grading isn't based on personal preference but market preference.

    Eye appeal is a component of mint state grading. It doesn't matter whether it has MS68 surfaces underneath; it is a problem coin as is and calling it solid for a 64 is absurd IMHO.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    On the chance that you're interested in getting (relatively) unbiased replies, you might want to consider a less biased question, which omits the words "huge fingerprint".

    Normally, I would agree with you; however, in this instance, I think someone would need to be blind to miss it. I could be wrong, but I don't think the wording would change the responses in this case.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 7:52AM

    I have no problem with CAC stickering it, as it is VERY original.

    It's just not a coin for me, in light of the fingerprint.

    Did you purchase it @KollectorKing ?

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    depends on whose fingerprint it is.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Yuck and no. For a solid or PQ 64, I could accept the print or the black junk behind the print, but not both.

    And what if it's a65 or 66 net graded?

    My answer doesn't change. When grading you grade the coin as it is not what it might be after a dip.

    I didn't tell you to dip it. IF it's a 66 net graded to a 64 because of the print, it could still be solid for the 64 grade. Now, you may hate it, but grading isn't based on personal preference but market preference.

    Eye appeal is a component of mint state grading. It doesn't matter whether it has MS68 surfaces underneath; it is a problem coin as is and calling it solid for a 64 is absurd IMHO.

    P.S. I didn't say that it was an inaccurate grade. Even ugly coins need to be graded, and there is nothing that should preclude it from receiving a straight grade. I said only that calling this coin anything other than a liner 64 was wrong IMO.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @MFeld said:
    On the chance that you're interested in getting (relatively) unbiased replies, you might want to consider a less biased question, which omits the words "huge fingerprint".

    Normally, I would agree with you; however, in this instance, I think someone would need to be blind to miss it. I could be wrong, but I don't think the wording would change the responses in this case.

    I agree about the likelihood of anyone missing the print, but that wasn't the point. If the purpose of the question is to elicit unbiased results, I think it makes more sense to mention obscure flaws (which might be missed) than conspicuous ones.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As is the case in general, an in-hand examination of the coin is usually necessary to assess whether the coin is A, B, or C for the grade, as the luster is not captured well in that photo. Here is a photo from its appearance in the Regency 28 auction, with the "black crap" being less prominent.

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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Doesn't bother me

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  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Realone said:
    I love the toning. I see no "black crap", what my eyes see instead is darker toning. The fingerprint is unobtrusive and a testament to the coin's originality. I understand that many here love blast whitey's, and for that error in judgement I forgive them. I will take this look any day of the week. Remembering CAC has it in hand and have 3 graders reviewing subject piece.

    Great answer. Thanks!

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a coin I'd want to write a MS64 monies check for as beyond the print the toning is quite HO-HUM dull, boring, and unimpressive.

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  • TradesWithChopsTradesWithChops Posts: 640 ✭✭✭✭

    I like it.

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    More Than It's Chopped Up To Be

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Realone said:
    I love the toning. I see no "black crap", what my eyes see instead is darker toning. The fingerprint is unobtrusive and a testament to the coin's originality. I understand that many here love blast whitey's, and for that error in judgement I forgive them. I will take this look any day of the week. Remembering CAC has it in hand and have 3 graders reviewing subject piece.

    Agreed - wow some of us here are so cynical. Well graded and deserving of a bean as graded - I bet its cool in hand. Congrats.

  • santinidollarsantinidollar Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wouldn’t want it myself. The print kills it for me.

  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 9:13AM

    We keep jumping through this hoop.

    CAC will do what CAC wants to do. They have no published standards, and haven't asked the public for input. There is no requirement that you have to agree, or even like the coin.

    This is in contrast to GRADING, where you can at least say the TPG's verdicts are based on, (or influenced by), published and accepted standards. And even then, I'm betting you disagree with their assigned grades on a daily(?) basis.

    Buy what you like. Avoid the coins you don't. And that applies to both assigned grades, and sticker verdicts.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Picky, picky, picky😂. I see this walker solid for the grade assigned. Bean or no bean.

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  • ElmhurstElmhurst Posts: 795 ✭✭✭

    I guess they think the fingerprint is "original,"

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 9:33AM

    @Connecticoin said:
    As is the case in general, an in-hand examination of the coin is usually necessary to assess whether the coin is A, B, or C for the grade, as the luster is not captured well in that photo. Here is a photo from its appearance in the Regency 28 auction, with the "black crap" being less prominent.

    Isn't this what Laura would call "expensive dreck?"

    As for those defending the coin, it sold for a few grand less than the previous CACed example fetched which says a lot.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Auction photo looks a bit juiced... Coin might technically grade as a 64, but has 61-62 eye appeal.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 5:21PM

    @Broadstruck said:
    Auction photo looks a bit juiced... Coin might technically grade as a 64, but has 61-62 eye appeal.

    But it has a sticker... >:)o:)

  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    John loves that original toning. Nice Strike.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Broadstruck said:
    Auction photo looks a bit juiced... Coin might technically grade as a 64, but has 61-62 eye appeal.

    But it has a sticker... >:)o:)

    And that's whom you need to sell it to if trying for MS64 wholesale.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Soldi said:
    John loves that original toning. Nice Strike.

    Yep also likes when they are on the verge of being considered terminal toned.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would not pay price guide money for it.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 6:38PM

    I wonder what they could do for it if sent in for conservation. The dark toning will only get worse as time goes on. Someone wants to invest in it as is?

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