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If the market for all of your coins doubles...

MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

Not because of inflation, but because of increased demand. How much of your collection would you sell? For me, the answer is probably about 25%. And it matters, at least in my mind, because that means that 25% of the coins in my collection are not really worth keeping. Time to clean house.

Andy Lustig

Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,705 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope you use the BST forum.

  • tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At my age it would be tempting to sell it all.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,951 ✭✭✭✭✭

    75% of it

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Assuming we're still living?

  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Everything

    When in doubt, don't.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Double phooey... Some tokens I own have jumped upwards of 5 times and beyond in the last decade.

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The scenario as posed would be a sea change and selling could be the mistake of a lifetime.
    :)

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm still relatively young and I am a true collector. Only recently have I neared completion of my set, so I would probably hold on to it.

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  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've actually been through this scenario at least once and have sold everything, then later moved into something new. Some regrets, selling too early and all, but fun to try new areas of numismatics and my funds aren't unlimited.

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No. If I live to be really old I fully expect most of my coins, cards and other collectibles to be practically worthless. (And I'm ok with that). I compare it(somewhat) to all of the money I spent dumping quarters in pinball machines, video games, jukeboxes and other "Fun" things in my youth. If I don't live that long, my wife might be able to sell some of it and take a nice trip somewhere.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,611 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just because your answer is 25% does not mean “It’s time to clean house.” It might me that you would use the money to buy something different if you could get that amount of money for you current holdings. I like what I have, but that does not mean I would be totally against selling some items for the right offer.

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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The follow up question is: how much of an increase would it take to force you to sell the next 25% and so on.

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  • kbbpllkbbpll Posts: 542 ✭✭✭✭

    I wouldn't sell anything. I just wouldn't buy anything.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FWIW, I can think of many millions of dollars worth of coins that, if I could only find and buy them at a fair prices, I would not sell at double or triple my cost. In that context, many of the coins in my collection were not great choices.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WaterSport said:
    For me its not about the money.
    WS

    +1

  • jkrkjkrk Posts: 991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All of it and would probably go short. LOL

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would certainly lighten up, a lot.

    Collecting hobbies can leave a tremendous burden to the unknowledgeable heirs.

    I have some non-collecting vices to indulge too.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How do you short a coin?

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,845 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2019 11:00AM

    It’s always about the money. Every thing is for sale. They’re just things after all and some things are more enjoyable/useful than others. Heck, I would even move to New Jersey for the right price, but it would be high........ very high. :)

    Under your scenario I’d sell about half - the stuff that was just stuff and not truly important to my long-term collecting goals. I’d do it now, but I don’t need to sell at a loss, so there it sits. I’m a big believer in buying opportunities. That strategy really only pays off if you’re willing to take advantage of selling opportunities too.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    >

    Collecting hobbies can leave a tremendous burden to the unknowledgeable heirs.

    Why not educate your heirs?

    I absolutely have told my heirs exactly what to do with my coins.

  • matt_dacmatt_dac Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭✭

    None, I paired down my collection about 8 months ago and don’t have any extra coins not aligned with my collection goals. I want more coins of course (aligned with my goals) and such a price jump would apply to desired coins as well.

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins Different strokes for different folks. If I don't undertake much of the disposal, my wife & kid will get snookered.

    At least I have been able to get my wife to understand how the bullion value of gold and silver coins is calculated. My wife has a heart of gold, but she also likes the stuff for its own sake.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,906 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One thing to consider is how much you might have into the coin. If you found a $100 coin in circulation at face value, say a cent, you only have a cent into it. Double in value/price you could sell it for you have $200 for that cent. Hard not to sell at that price. But for that same $100 cent say you paid $80 for it and it's value rises to $200. Your profit would only be $120. In either case one has to determine any sentimental value attached to the coin. Or what it means to you as a collector/hobbyist. That in itself may supersede any desire to sell.

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  • edwardjulioedwardjulio Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another consideration would be rarity. With some of the current Mega-Collectors needing certain coins for their sets, it may make sense to retain for your collection. Value may not continue to increase, but knowing you have a coin that is not in their collections is intriguing.

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A lot of us peasants would break even.... :)

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Silver would generate 416.8M more value vs Gold 88.4M if it was gold then we would see bigger issues to deal with like cost of Capital needed to fund inventory. Silver price would likely mean Mines in US open jobs created, possibly repair debt.

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I actually did my main lightening when I figured out what CAC is doing to the market. >:)

    Lotta unbeaned veggies went to market. :)

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Probably miss out because I’d wait to see if it triples+ and when I do decide to part companies the bottom drops. ;)

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    Why not educate your heirs?
    I absolutely have told my heirs exactly what to do with my coins.

    I have as well. but still a ton of work if done right and a lot left on the table if done wrong.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    100% sold

  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    everything.

    almost everything. some of my coins have their hooks in me like heroin for a junkie.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ARCO said:

    @keets said:
    everything.

    almost everything. some of my coins have their hooks in me like heroin for a junkie.

    Same here with what I have kept. :)

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I try to keep on top of what I have but it is a losing battle. as MrEureka said, there are mistakes and uninteresting coins which are easy to let go, some I would donate/give away. if I viewed only the important coin/exonumia that I have it is still easy enough to let them go. the number one rule of possession should be no emotional connection to anything.

    this brings me to where I am today, closer to the end than the beginning. age is peculiar because it has a way of rendering the unimportant things obvious, and my collection is just that, not really important. I know it needs to belong to someone else eventually and that allows me to get closer to selling.

    if I knew I could get 2x my estimated value it would be a done deal and one less thing I'd need to worry about as I embrace destiny. all that known, it is strange that I am still an active buyer!! o:)

  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would probably sell 95%. There are a few I am not ready to part with!

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,653 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I appreciate your question but there are certain coins that could double and still be undervalued based either on rarity or condition rarity. I would sell only those coins that based on my experience could be easily replaced.

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  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2019 1:39PM

    @coinkat " I would sell only those coins that based on my experience could be easily replaced."

    This has played an increasing role in the decision of what to sell as the years have passed.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,653 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And let's be clear about rarity and condition rarity... It does not always follow plastic and stickers.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have no intention of selling.... Though it could happen should a personal disaster strike.... If such a scenario occurred, it would all go for whatever I could get for them....Other than that....they will be here after I leave... ;) Cheers, RickO

  • Eric_BabulaEric_Babula Posts: 431 ✭✭✭✭

    @matt_dac said:
    None, I paired down my collection about 8 months ago and don’t have any extra coins not aligned with my collection goals. I want more coins of course (aligned with my goals) and such a price jump would apply to desired coins as well.

    How did you go about pairing down your collection? Sell on eBay? Sell to a dealer? Just wondering - I might end up doing that, myself. I have a lot of stuff that I collected, that really doesn't align with my collecting goals, now that I'm older.

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  • neildrobertsonneildrobertson Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2019 3:23PM

    I'd have to sell, and invest the money in my retirement. I already have arguably too much of my net worth tied up in coins. If it doubles, I definitely will.

    I might keep two or 3 sets, and then start building in a new series.

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The underlying premise to my question is that many of us value certain coins more highly than the market does. Sometimes because we have superior knowledge. Sometimes because the coins have special importance to us in our collecting goals. Sometimes because they have sentimental value. Sometimes because we simply don’t need or care about the money. And so on.

    As for my “house cleaning “, the goal is not to raise cash . The goal is to fund the purchase of coins that I value more highly than the things I’m selling.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FSF said:
    I'm confused by why it matters at all as to whether the market increases or decreases or stays the same? The only thing that should factor in is how much you like the item in your collections. You have the ones you're not will to sell for any sane price. And then you have the coins that you would be willing to sell to varying degrees. And among those, the main question remaining should be whether you think those coins will could be sold at higher prices in the future, and just how much roughly. That should give you most all the information you need, based on one's own set of assumptions, to sell or not to sell.

    If all coins always appreciated to the same extent, I would pretty much agree with you. But what if your coins doubled and other coins that you like did not change? Not a likely scenario if you have an extraordinarily diverse collection, but very possible for a specialist.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd sell half to 60% to recoup my original investment. I'd focus on selling the coins I have grown tired of over the years and keep the pieces I really like.

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Id move a few that I cant now, because price is off to far.

  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've only been coin collecting (again) for about 2 years now and this time around I would not sell any of my coins, barring a major financial catastrophe. I sold last time (20-25 years ago) to fund stuff that the family could do together. My only regret was selling the MCMVII High Relief $20 gold graded MS61 in a first generation holder.

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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:
    How much of your collection would you sell?

    All of it. My collection consists of coins I like and I'm sure if I sold everything I own, doubling what I had put into it, I would still be able to find other coins I liked.

  • matt_dacmatt_dac Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2019 5:39PM

    @Eric_Babula said:

    @matt_dac said:
    None, I paired down my collection about 8 months ago and don’t have any extra coins not aligned with my collection goals. I want more coins of course (aligned with my goals) and such a price jump would apply to desired coins as well.

    How did you go about pairing down your collection? Sell on eBay? Sell to a dealer? Just wondering - I might end up doing that, myself. I have a lot of stuff that I collected, that really doesn't align with my collecting goals, now that I'm older.

    I sold a couple to dealers, actually as a trade transaction for coins I wanted, the remainder I sold on Craigslist.

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