Are these 1847 Eagles the same coin?
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Was browsing Legends website and came across this coin, once 62 now 62+. The description reads no spots or discolorations and obviously a crack out dealer tried to upgrade to 63. Anyhow unless the new image is hiding it, it looks like the discoloration in reverse is gone. I’m no expert on how this works, so can someone explain will that come back? What are the pros and cons of this removal IF this is the same coin?
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There are certainly a bunch of marks in the same areas:
Some marks are different:
Sure looks like the same coin to me.
If it is the same coin, I wouldn’t assume that anything was done to it. I believe that any perceived differences with respect to reverse discoloration could simply be due to the imaging.
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I believe it is the same coin and only the lighting and imaging may make some marks appear slightly different.
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There are certainly a lot of similarities. If it is the same coin, I like the "before" much more than the "after."
Same coin. Many marks are the same on both coins. For example, the mark above the E in TEN.
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The brownish-red streak from the chin to the ear has been removed.
And the small reddish splotch above the "TA" of STATES is also gone.
That appears to be the same coin. Simply too many of the same diagnostics.
I highlighted the red areas that seem unique.
The scratch between the stars is still there. The lighting angle is just highlighting in one and hiding in the other. I believe the coins are identical.
(Edit to add second zoom)
Based simply on the pair of images, I think it is the same coin and suspect it was simply dipped to leach off the surface copper that had oxidized in the past.
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Great closeups. I believe they are identical too.
That is what I am concerned about. Do you think that the spot will come back? The coin is PCGS and it is also CAC stickered. It looks great in images but I’m trying to see whats up. Do you think the spot was removed to try to get it upgraded?
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By the way I do not own this coin but am considering it for my type set.
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I do no think that spot would affect the grade.
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And it would increase the wholesomeness rating if CAC-considered
Same coin. Was nicer before.
Looks like the same coin !!!
Appears to be the same coin.... lightly conserved and different lighting between the images....Cheers, RickO
AS I mentioned in the description-I bought it from a top crack out guy. Further, I bought it because I owned it before and love the coin. It is a cameo piece too. It deserved the + long ago.
What the big deal here?
There is no big deal, Laura. I'm asking - if you read the OP: "I’m no expert on how this works, so can someone explain will that [spot] come back? What are the pros and cons of this removal IF this is the same coin?"
Read: was this coin cleaned/conserved/whatever you want to call it, and if so what will happen in the future, and so on. A couple of people answered the questions, and others just noticed if it was the same coin. I asked if it's the same coin (I speculated it was) because I don't like making accusations without census that the coin is the same.
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