NEWP 1795 $5 small eagle

CaptHenway · March 4, 2019 12:02PM

@ColonelJessup said:

@CaptHenway said:

@fiftysevener said:
Your coin is holdered perfectly withe bust looking slightly upward. Truly a knockout piece !

There are reasonable differences of opinion as to what is the proper alignment for this obverse design. The person putting the coin in the holder chose to center the entire date in the 6 o’clock position, as is normal on most U.S. coins, but I would have put the 5 dead center at 6 o’clock. The head would be more upright, and the reverse would not be rotated in the holder.

About 30 years ago, Jay Miller and I owned THE Cardinal Spellman-Dave Akers 1838 proof Eagle. The same misunderstanding takes place with that 2 year series. I find it hard to understand why anyone, at least in that time frame, would care about much besides the date. Mostly it was a metal disc with heraldic designs bankers could quickly verify as authentic. Heraldic convention for coin design in Europe would usually/always(?) place the date squarely at 6 o/c. My esthetic sensibility is heightened by the image of Liberty _ leaning forward. In both cases, properly aligned it makes for a much more dynamic representation of our country.

When Jay and I produced a mini-booklet on the coin. its picture was the entire cover. When I complained about the date/head placement, he numismatically agreed. When he pointed out the dissonance created when viewing this vary rare type because the head did not align vertically as did the other 99.9% of Liberty $10's, I, a numismatic slut and yet a market whore, agreed. Dave Akers never even brought the point up, and he was our biggest cheerleader on the coin, which he favored even more than the Garrett-Pogue-Jung $1795 $10.

I can't say @CaptHenway is right, but I certainly agree with him.

I will defend to the death your right to agree with me!!!

calgolddiver · March 4, 2019 12:55PM

just ....... STUNNING !!!

RWM · March 4, 2019 1:01PM

Nice!!!

Regulated · March 4, 2019 1:19PM

Beautiful! You should be proud...

Baley · March 4, 2019 1:29PM

@Justacommeman said:
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Regarding the orientation in the holder, i think aesthetically, it just needs to be rotated juuust a lityle bit clockwise for the obverse (ccw for the rev.). A few degrees would better center both the date and the space below the eagle between the U and A.

Tap tap tap! (Gently) Mark!

Justacommeman · March 4, 2019 3:46PM

@Baley said:

@Justacommeman said:
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Regarding the orientation in the holder, i think aesthetically, it just needs to be rotated juuust a lityle bit clockwbise for the obverse (ccw for the rev.). A few degrees would better center both the date and the space below the eagle between the U and A.

Tap tap tap! (Gently) Mark!

Thanks Baley! My Dad comes from a family of lumberjacks and my Moms family invented the GI Joe with Kung Fu Grip. Taking that into account I think I’ll leave it be. There is no finesse in my family tree only nuts

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Wabbit2313 · March 4, 2019 3:56PM

@Justacommeman said:

Thanks Baley! My Dad comes from a family of lumberjacks and my Moms family invented the GI Joe with kung foo grip. Taking that into account I think I’ll leave it be. There is no finesse in my family tree

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Wabbit2313 · March 4, 2019 3:59PM

Mark, was that you in the commercial?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g5vH9A8t9I

crazyhounddog · March 4, 2019 4:17PM

A HUGE congratulations, Mark. That is one gorgeous piece .

EVillageProwler · March 4, 2019 5:14PM

Serious question: doesn’t the OP qualify for a ‘You Suck’ award? If so, I nominate him for one for acquiring this coin.

CaptHenway · March 4, 2019 5:18PM

@EVillageProwler said:
Serious question: doesn’t the OP qualify for a ‘You Suck’ award? If so, I nominate him for one for acquiring this coin.

Well, I don't think this qualifies. The piece was properly graded and described, and he paid a strong but fair price for it.

I think he deserves a hearty "Well Done, Sir!" but not a "You suck!"

jdillane · March 4, 2019 5:50PM

What a stellar specimen!!

ColonelJessup · March 4, 2019 6:59PM

@CaptHenway said:

@EVillageProwler said:
Serious question: doesn’t the OP qualify for a ‘You Suck’ award? If so, I nominate him for one for acquiring this coin.

Well, I don't think this qualifies. The piece was properly graded and described, and he paid a strong but fair price for it.

I think he deserves a hearty "Well Done, Sir!" but not a "You suck!"

You Suck is if he buys a '95 Heraldic as a Small Eagle. OTOH it's good to hear from @EVillageProwler even when he's wrong.

EVillageProwler · March 4, 2019 7:03PM

@ColonelJessup said:

@CaptHenway said:

@EVillageProwler said:
Serious question: doesn’t the OP qualify for a ‘You Suck’ award? If so, I nominate him for one for acquiring this coin.

Well, I don't think this qualifies. The piece was properly graded and described, and he paid a strong but fair price for it.

I think he deserves a hearty "Well Done, Sir!" but not a "You suck!"

You Suck is if he buys a '95 Heraldic as a Small Eagle. OTOH it's good to hear from @EVillageProwler even when he's wrong.

Given the Good Colonel’s seniority, I know have much to learn from him about being wrong.

Timbuk3 · March 4, 2019 7:11PM

Wow, amazing, congratulations !!!

Justacommeman · March 4, 2019 7:15PM

@EVillageProwler said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@CaptHenway said:

@EVillageProwler said:
Serious question: doesn’t the OP qualify for a ‘You Suck’ award? If so, I nominate him for one for acquiring this coin.

Well, I don't think this qualifies. The piece was properly graded and described, and he paid a strong but fair price for it.

I think he deserves a hearty "Well Done, Sir!" but not a "You suck!"

You Suck is if he buys a '95 Heraldic as a Small Eagle. OTOH it's good to hear from @EVillageProwler even when he's wrong.

Given the Good Colonel’s senility , I know have much to learn from him about being wrong.

I fixed it for you

Good to see you on the light side EVP

Thanks everyone for the well wishes!

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Paradisefound · March 5, 2019 12:09AM

I have no word for it

renman95 · March 5, 2019 12:38AM

@Justacommeman said:

@Baley said:

@Justacommeman said:
...

Regarding the orientation in the holder, i think aesthetically, it just needs to be rotated juuust a lityle bit clockwbise for the obverse (ccw for the rev.). A few degrees would better center both the date and the space below the eagle between the U and A.

Tap tap tap! (Gently) Mark!

Thanks Baley! My Dad comes from a family of lumberjacks and my Moms family invented the GI Joe with Kung Fu Grip. Taking that into account I think I’ll leave it be. There is no finesse in my family tree only nuts

m

Send it to me. I can fix its orientation likety-split.

Coinstartled · March 5, 2019 4:19AM

@golden said:
Super,super,super! I wish that I had one.

Yes indeed. What a coin!

Justacommeman · March 6, 2019 3:32AM

@specialist said:
Congrats! Great coin-great deal....

Are you quitting Walkers????

If 46- P’s in 67+ keep going for 28k maybe. Still stung I didn’t get that coin. I thought I wore my big boy pants to that auction. I’m actually just about done besides an upgrade or two

Thanks!

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fiftysevener · March 10, 2019 11:21AM

@CaptHenway said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@CaptHenway said:

@fiftysevener said:
Your coin is holdered perfectly withe bust looking slightly upward. Truly a knockout piece !

There are reasonable differences of opinion as to what is the proper alignment for this obverse design. The person putting the coin in the holder chose to center the entire date in the 6 o’clock position, as is normal on most U.S. coins, but I would have put the 5 dead center at 6 o’clock. The head would be more upright, and the reverse would not be rotated in the holder.

About 30 years ago, Jay Miller and I owned THE Cardinal Spellman-Dave Akers 1838 proof Eagle. The same misunderstanding takes place with that 2 year series. I find it hard to understand why anyone, at least in that time frame, would care about much besides the date. Mostly it was a metal disc with heraldic designs bankers could quickly verify as authentic. Heraldic convention for coin design in Europe would usually/always(?) place the date squarely at 6 o/c. My esthetic sensibility is heightened by the image of Liberty _ leaning forward. In both cases, properly aligned it makes for a much more dynamic representation of our country.

When Jay and I produced a mini-booklet on the coin. its picture was the entire cover. When I complained about the date/head placement, he numismatically agreed. When he pointed out the dissonance created when viewing this vary rare type because the head did not align vertically as did the other 99.9% of Liberty $10's, I, a numismatic slut and yet a market whore, agreed. Dave Akers never even brought the point up, and he was our biggest cheerleader on the coin, which he favored even more than the Garrett-Pogue-Jung $1795 $10.

I can't say @CaptHenway is right, but I certainly agree with him.

I will defend to the death your right to agree with me!!!

Of course I fully agree with centering the date almost always but if it was holdered in a rattler it could be upside down ! So there is one good argument to make for reholdering.

astrorat · March 10, 2019 11:27AM

That's an incredible coin, Mark! Wow!

Justacommeman · March 11, 2019 8:15AM

@astrorat said:
That's an incredible coin, Mark! Wow!

Thank you! I’m in Jakarta now, Singapore Tomorrow then back to China. Friday is the day I get home to drive down to pick it up. I’m excited like a little boy on Christmas

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astrorat · March 11, 2019 9:08AM

@Justacommeman said:

@astrorat said:
That's an incredible coin, Mark! Wow!

Thank you! I’m in Jakarta now, Singapore Tomorrow then back to China. Friday is the day I get home to drive down to pick it up. I’m excited like a little boy on Christmas

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I bet you are! I get it ... and I'm not even a world traveler! Thanks for sharing your great collection.

CaptHenway · March 11, 2019 10:38AM

@Justacommeman said:

@astrorat said:
That's an incredible coin, Mark! Wow!

Thank you! I’m in Jakarta now, Singapore Tomorrow then back to China. Friday is the day I get home to drive down to pick it up. I’m excited like a little boy on Christmas

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Don't fly any 737-Max planes!

Justacommeman · March 11, 2019 4:21PM

@CaptHenway said:

@Justacommeman said:

@astrorat said:
That's an incredible coin, Mark! Wow!

Thank you! I’m in Jakarta now, Singapore Tomorrow then back to China. Friday is the day I get home to drive down to pick it up. I’m excited like a little boy on Christmas

m

Don't fly any 737-Max planes!

I’m strapped in and hope for the best

Wabbit2313 · March 11, 2019 4:24PM

Dang Mark! Safe travels!

OldIndianNutKase · March 11, 2019 6:49PM

84 likes of the OP...................is that a record??

1Mike1 · March 12, 2019 12:25AM

@Justacommeman said:

@CaptHenway said:

@Justacommeman said:

@astrorat said:
That's an incredible coin, Mark! Wow!

Thank you! I’m in Jakarta now, Singapore Tomorrow then back to China. Friday is the day I get home to drive down to pick it up. I’m excited like a little boy on Christmas

m

Don't fly any 737-Max planes!

I’m strapped in and hope for the best