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Interesting 'Pine Tree Shilling'

cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 4, 2019 7:39AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I picked this up at the B&M yesterday. Very nice 'facsimilie' of a Pine Tree shilling, made my International Sterling. I looked online and could find very little about these- does anyone know when they were made?

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 3, 2019 7:44AM

    Circa 1940's and I've never seen one worn that smooth as most seen are AU-UNC.

    They all have applied patina for a aged look.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,307 ✭✭✭✭✭

    See if it is in a pamphlet called "Struck Copies of Early American Coins" (or something like that) by Richard Kenney.

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 4, 2019 7:50AM

    Thanks, @Broadstruck and @CaptHenway. I really like the circulated look this one has. I did see a reference to Kenney in the research I did on the internet, but there isn't much info available.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    By the way... No C in shilling.... ;) Cheers, RickO

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,083 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    By the way... No C in shilling.... ;) Cheers, RickO

    Thanks Ricko! Corrected.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,307 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Kenney, not Kenner.

    The piece I remember seeing pictured was also circulated, but not as much as this one. They may have been popular as pocket pieces.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 4, 2019 9:28AM

    That looks like it could be a die trial / die adjustment strike with light pressure. I have a die trial struck by Dan Carr that has a similar look with a lightly struck center area.

    It’s amazing how little information we have on some of these tokens. Seems like a potential area for research.

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,083 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Kenney, not Kenner.

    Sheesh- too many typos. Corrected- thank you for pointing it out.

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    StrikeOutXXXStrikeOutXXX Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 4, 2019 8:38AM

    Token Catalog has it listed here:
    http://tokencatalog.com/token_record_forms.php?action=DisplayTokenRecord&td_id=132754&inventory_id=70578&attribution_id=134158&td_create_uid=334

    I saw one eBay sale where they claimed it was a "300-Year" reproduction made in 1952, but found one auction catalog from October 16, 1937 where there was one for sale as lot 610, so they've been around for awhile.

    https://archive.org/details/thirtyfifthcatal00blue/page/22

    And June 26th 1931 Lot 225

    https://archive.org/details/sixtyeighthpubli00bole/page/14

    And in a June 4th 1930 auction too - Lot 1025

    https://archive.org/details/fiftyninthpublic00bole/page/32

    Dec 13/14 1929 Lot 572

    https://archive.org/details/publicsalerareco00elde/page/28

    And as mentioned, it's in the Kenney reference of 1952
    https://archive.org/details/coincollectorsjo19n1coin/page/16

    And in Noe's Pine Tree Coinage of Massachusetts book of 1952
    https://archive.org/details/ThePineTreeCoinageOfMassachusetts/page/n61

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,083 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you @StrikeOutXXX !!! I love the forums!

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,907 ✭✭✭✭✭

    that's cool looking

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,307 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks, Strikeout!

    Probably the 300th anniversary of the landing of the Pilgrims in 1620, or 1920. By 1929 it might have become collectible.

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