They have internal notes on how people graded coins; I like ICG's system with conservation and ability to communicate with a grader, but Centsles is not helping them.
It was a company that sold cleaning products. They had a promotion where people could purchase Morgans.
The packaging is known to cause toning. See the thread below for an image of what some look like:
It was a company that sold cleaning products. They had a promotion where people could purchase Morgans.
The packaging is known to cause toning. See the thread below for an image of what some look like:
There is a heck of a lot of luster on that twenty. IMO, AU-50 would have been the highest grade it could reach due to the marks and the missing detail. I'll bet this was a VF+ in the 1960's!
You are certaintly entitled to your opinion. I caution members that some opinions are better than others. BTW, anyone who does not think this is 100% original toning needs to study up. As to its desirability, that is an opinion that anyone can have. Some folks hate toning and some like it. As for me, it depends on the coin.
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Reply by centsles (Feb-05-19 20:03):
MOST SMART COIN DEALERS ARE ONLY HAPPY WITH@10% OF AN AVERAGE PCGS INVOICE(FACT)"
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Why can't Centsles get decent pictures? I can get better ones with the local library scanner set to 600 dpi and 24 bit color.
Decent pictures would show more defects. It's like makeup on a women or airbrushing out faults in a magazine cover. With a coin, just blur the image.
Now since you like to play detective, why not take a look at all his coins and see if some images are sharp and some are not. That might tell us something about each coin he is auctioning.
BTW IMHO, anyone who tries to get a second tier TPGS coin crossed at a top TPGS while in its original slab is a fool!
Crossing a top TPGS coin into a second tier TPGS slab is not as successful as you may believe either. If you attempt it, make sure to keep the coin in its original TPGS holder.
I believe all coins should stand on their own merits, not whose slab they are in.
CDN: $6500 in XF, $10K in AU. Norman Kleinman offered me an XF in a PCGS holder 15 or so years ago for well under $2K. These are tough civil war coins when the nation was held in the balances. They need to be graded accurately.
It was a company that sold cleaning products. They had a promotion where people could purchase Morgans.
The packaging is known to cause toning. See the thread below for an image of what some look like:
That 'Tidy House' tarnish is - to me - totally Ugly... with a capital U.... Looks close to terminal....I have seen that at a couple of shows...did not know what it was called at the time, but the explanation sure makes it clear... Cheers, RickO
are you guys really chatting about who??? Centsles?????
oh them basement slabbers in Florida....
decent pictures?? oh no, they do not have decent equipment, can not afford it....
On most items you have to be lucky if you can recognize the coins as such..
A much more interesting question to ask is this:
where in the world are they and similar others like Asyn, are getting their shier endless supply of coins?
The 1863 DE appears to be a routine EF based on the photos. A dedicated DE collector might prefer to buy a better example rather than spend $4k+ for this.
@ricko said:
That 'Tidy House' tarnish is - to me - totally Ugly... with a capital U.... Looks close to terminal....I have seen that at a couple of shows...did not know what it was called at the time, but the explanation sure makes it clear... Cheers, RickO
LOL. I was waiting for you to see the coin. I was going to tag you and say that you would hate it. I'm surprised someone else didn't mention you. It was called UGLY back in the day. Most toned coins were dipped.
The gold coin in the first post.. ask me would never grade at PCGS. Body bag. Something is off based on those pics.
I realize grading from pics is tough.. but I have viewed enough gold coins online to get a pretty good feeling something is not right with it. My two cents.
Thanks for posting the listing, @Zoins. eBay says the sale is over and won’t let me see the listing, which seems like a new policy to me.
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based on the pictures I’m going to say it’s a Strong XF-40 in a PCGS holder and that’s how I would price it if I were going to buy it.
And here he has an "MS67" Morgan that looks like it was charcoal cooked for a some time: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1885-O-MORGAN-SILVER-DOLLAR-ICG-MS67-LISTS-AT-1-350-TIDY-HOUSE-RAINBOW-TONING/143142586085?hash=item2153f686e5:g:ghIAAOSw7ExcbxmA
What's "Tidy House"?
If there was more time, you could ask Skip how he saw it! @Insider2
They have internal notes on how people graded coins; I like ICG's system with conservation and ability to communicate with a grader, but Centsles is not helping them.
It was a company that sold cleaning products. They had a promotion where people could purchase Morgans.
The packaging is known to cause toning. See the thread below for an image of what some look like:
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=163403
It was a promotion for a cleaning product. Dollars were put into a cardboard holder and then into a sulfur envelope. The coins toned.
Thank you! One of those ads was dated 17 days before I was born.
There is a heck of a lot of luster on that twenty. IMO, AU-50 would have been the highest grade it could reach due to the marks and the missing detail. I'll bet this was a VF+ in the 1960's!
Learned something today. First time I've heard of Tidy House Toning.
Why can't Centsles get decent pictures? I can get better ones with the local library scanner set to 600 dpi and 24 bit color.
You are certaintly entitled to your opinion. I caution members that some opinions are better than others. BTW, anyone who does not think this is 100% original toning needs to study up. As to its desirability, that is an opinion that anyone can have. Some folks hate toning and some like it.
As for me, it depends on the coin.
Sure, "Rainbow" on what planet, Venus!?
Not the best feedback, when submitted to PCGS hard to get the same grades: https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=centsles&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&searchInterval=30&which=negative&interval=30&_trkparms=negative_30
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Reply by centsles (Feb-05-19 20:03):
MOST SMART COIN DEALERS ARE ONLY HAPPY WITH@10% OF AN AVERAGE PCGS INVOICE(FACT)"
From the feedback numbers I'm seeing on ebay, Centles is selling approx 42 items a day. Good business!
Decent pictures would show more defects. It's like makeup on a women or airbrushing out faults in a magazine cover. With a coin, just blur the image.
Now since you like to play detective, why not take a look at all his coins and see if some images are sharp and some are not. That might tell us something about each coin he is auctioning.
BTW IMHO, anyone who tries to get a second tier TPGS coin crossed at a top TPGS while in its original slab is a fool!
Crossing a top TPGS coin into a second tier TPGS slab is not as successful as you may believe either. If you attempt it, make sure to keep the coin in its original TPGS holder.
I believe all coins should stand on their own merits, not whose slab they are in.
XF. Low to mid XF.
Here is a nice original XF45: https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-double-eagles/1863-20-xf45-pcgs/a/1162-4730.s?hdnJumpToLot=1&x=0&y=0
CDN: $6500 in XF, $10K in AU. Norman Kleinman offered me an XF in a PCGS holder 15 or so years ago for well under $2K. These are tough civil war coins when the nation was held in the balances. They need to be graded accurately.
Their products work well on badly toned coins, lol!
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That 'Tidy House' tarnish is - to me - totally Ugly... with a capital U.... Looks close to terminal....I have seen that at a couple of shows...did not know what it was called at the time, but the explanation sure makes it clear... Cheers, RickO
are you guys really chatting about who??? Centsles?????
oh them basement slabbers in Florida....
decent pictures?? oh no, they do not have decent equipment, can not afford it....
On most items you have to be lucky if you can recognize the coins as such..
A much more interesting question to ask is this:
where in the world are they and similar others like Asyn, are getting their shier endless supply of coins?
The 1863 DE appears to be a routine EF based on the photos. A dedicated DE collector might prefer to buy a better example rather than spend $4k+ for this.
LOL. I was waiting for you to see the coin. I was going to tag you and say that you would hate it. I'm surprised someone else didn't mention you. It was called UGLY back in the day. Most toned coins were dipped.
The gold coin in the first post.. ask me would never grade at PCGS. Body bag. Something is off based on those pics.
I realize grading from pics is tough.. but I have viewed enough gold coins online to get a pretty good feeling something is not right with it. My two cents.
Sold for $4,450.00 with 42 bids from 20 bidders.
Thanks for posting the listing, @Zoins. eBay says the sale is over and won’t let me see the listing, which seems like a new policy to me.
I think the MS67 Tidy House coin linked here is 100% NT, it just happens to be near terminal.
"LISTS AT $1,350!" - Sold for $305. At least the digits match!
Thanks for posting!