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Is this an error? $2 1/2 Gold Indian

jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 4, 2019 11:04AM in U.S. Coin Forum

$2 1/2 Indians are my main focus, and I can't recall seeing one like this. Looks like offcenter on the top of obverse, and the lower numbers/stars are stretched out/elongated to the point of touching the edge. It appears genuine to me, and is the correct weight. @FredWeinberg @ErrorsOnCoins



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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very slight misaligned die perhaps.

    Not my specialty as I am into modern errors.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The characteristics you show are not common; however, IMO it is just a curiosity w/no additional value.

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks guys! It's always fun to find oddities, even if it doesn't add much value.

  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty tough to tell. Why don't you just send it to me? ;)

    Cheers

    Bob

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    More of a minor 'finned rim'.

    Not rare at all, and it doesn't add any
    value to the coin. It's not off center at all,
    just a minor mis-aligned die (as mentioned above),
    which causes the thin finned or wire edge....

    More of an anomaly than any error.....

    But it for sure it a misaligned die? Does PCGS holder and label those, or does it have to be a bigger one? Thanks for your help!

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Outhaul said:
    Pretty tough to tell. Why don't you just send it to me? ;)

    Cheers

    Bob

    No too me I will pay the shipping! :D

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, it's a 'finned rim', and would not
    be considered an error.

    PCGS would not label it as a finned rim,
    or any type of error. It's a common anomaly.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You could always submit it under errors and see what they come up with in grading.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2019 3:49PM

    I believe that all 1911-D Quarter Eagles have this feature at the top of the obverse. It is a diagnostic for authentication.

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  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    or moi? <3

    @Outhaul said:
    Pretty tough to tell. Why don't you just send it to me? ;)

    Cheers

    Bob

  • KindaNewishKindaNewish Posts: 827 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These incuse coins are really difficult.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting anomaly... misaligned die and Fred said 'finned rim'... That is quite visible and logical from the root cause. Cheers, RickO

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That stretched star is pretty cool!

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a 1914-D $2 1/2 with the typical die wear ring thru the star points close to the edge. This coin has a degree of rim "fin" that seems to be fairly common on different dates. The neat thing about the OP's coin is the scallops and the drawn out date/stars.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    The neat thing about the OP's coin is the scallops and the drawn out date/stars.

    >

    Those "scallops" are a result of the edge of the die coming into contact with the reeding in the collar opening. It's sort of like a clashed die except the edge of the die clashed with the inside edge of the collar.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very interesting none the less.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @Insider2 said:
    The neat thing about the OP's coin is the scallops and the drawn out date/stars.

    >

    Those "scallops" are a result of the edge of the die coming into contact with the reeding in the collar opening. It's sort of like a clashed die except the edge of the die clashed with the inside edge of the collar.

    Perhaps that happens when the die is slightly misaligned. :wink:

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    This is a 1914-D $2 1/2 with the typical die wear ring thru the star points close to the edge. This coin has a degree of rim "fin" that seems to be fairly common on different dates. The neat thing about the OP's coin is the scallops and the drawn out date/stars.

    Most 1914-D's have this ring, along with another date or two. What exactly causes it? I have several Indian's I've set aside with interesting things like this 1915. Not big money items, but not common.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was told it's due to a worn die.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My $5 Indian has a halo like that through the stars.

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's known as a 'collar clash'

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    It's known as a 'collar clash'

    The OP's coin with the scallops, not the 14-D - right?.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes

    (I was replying to the posts about
    the 'scallops')

    Sorry for any confusion.

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