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1868 $3 Gold - Opinions as to grade and authenticity? *True View added*
asheland
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This belongs to a friend of mine. He bought it raw and is sending it to our hosts.
It’ll be gold shield with a TV. What are your options?
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This might end up completing my type set!
@Paradisefound check it out...
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Great type coin! Hope it straight grades... AU-55 is my guess
It looks low AU... maybe high XF.... Still nice gold.... Best of luck and let us know what happens. Cheers, RickO
A nice type coin. Solid EF. Nothing higher.
Not sure if it is real, but if it is, it's cleaned.
Looks real from what I can see. Looks like an AU-50 or 53.
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Best guess is 58. Could even grade 61 these days.
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I haven't seen it in person, but my friend says it has slightly reflective fields. My guess, for the record, is AU55 going on the pictures. Hopefully if all goes well, it'll be graded and True-Viewed.
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My thoughts exactly. I really wish I had a chance to see it before it mailed to PCGS...
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The coin looks genuine and approximately AU58 to me. The left obverse field is a bit troublesome - perhaps leading to an AU details (cleaned or scratches) grade.
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AU Details. Hope I am wrong.
Sorry. Sold all my Unique 7-11 Parking Lot inventory at FUN.
If I bought and sold coins, I would buy that at a fair market value for EF and sell at a fair market value for EF - regardless of what might be printed on a paper insert as a different opinion.
Don't think it will straight grade.
AU by wear but may have been cleaned. Even if not cleaned it has too many marks to merit more than a 55. Authenticity????... I'm no expert on that and personally wouldn't buy raw $3s.
Here's a challenge for anyone here who wants to learn something or help others learn. Find images of other 1868 $3's in PCGS XF40 to MS61 and post them to the thread. Then we can compare them to the piece in question. This could be a very enlightening thread with just a little bit of effort!
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@asheland COOL COIN !!! I think it’s authentic. I could be wrong though since they are often counterfeited.
Fine, I'll start. Here's the last XF sold at auction. A PCGS 40.
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And here's the last PCGS 61.
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How would you go about determining "fair market value"? Serious question.
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AU55
That 61 appears very nice for grade Andy.
I’ll chip in with a 55 on the OP largely because of the mentioned field disturbances on obverse.
Well, just Love coins, period.
I think that it is genuine and that it should grade as an AU-50. The angle of the photo might have made the hairlines look bigger than than they are. If so, it could get another 5 points or so.
Of course today's grading is different. The EF-40 that was posted earlier looks a lot like the first Three Dollar Gold Piece I owned circa 1968. My grade on that one was a VF-30 aside from the fact that it had been subjected to one of those small side mounts that had been skillfully repaired unbeknownst to me. That coin marked another of my numismatic tuition payments. I last a little over $100 on it which was a lot of money at the time for me as a college student.
Here is my second Three Dollar Gold Piece. It made it into a PCGS AU-55 holder a little less than 20 years ago.
Not sure if those are die polish lines or hairlines from wiping. If I submitted it , I know from experience it would come back "Cleaned, Uncirculated details"
I see high points more than those XF out there ..... AU 58? Good luck!
I’m eager to see what it makes.
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55, 58 on a good day if it straight grades. I like it a lot and it would look perfect in my gold type set.
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Looks better than the pics made it look, in my opinion. I thought it would grade cleaned, but I think it has a shot at straight grading now.
Indeed, I like the reflective surfaces! I hadn't seen the video until recently. after starting this thread
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Here I thought it was going to be a video of you dancing Asheland!
Fingers crossed it's not polished. If not, AU55, shot at 58!!
Well, that video was really exciting --- !
However, after seeing it, I might be leaning more toward the coin being a very high EF or low AU -- assuming AU as a unitary grade and not a range (as the TPGs insist)....The wear would have occurred during one transaction.
As for the "MS-61" posted above --- nope; not uncirculated; but a beautiful AU ! (The value is the same.)
AU55, wish I owned one. Congrats to your friend.
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It’s back. I haven’t seen it in person yet I will tonight
Here’s a shot. I still don’t know the grade.
Thoughts?
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I now know the grade, still haven't seen it in person yet. Here's the true view:
Straight grade... Any last guesses?
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I would have guessed cleaned from the first picture - but since straight graded it must be a AU55 or AU58
Fair amount of field disturbance so I'll say 53. Looks beautiful!
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Those images make it look PQ, with all the orange blush toning I would say 58 or even a plus.
I'll go with AU58
Nice addition!!
i would have guessed cleaned. looks wiped to me. but you can only tell so much from a photo!
I'll reveal the grade later, and if I end up getting it. I want to see it in person obviously. However, interesting as this sounds, my friend who has it, says it looks better in person than the true view... I am eager to see this!
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Edit to delete. Already guessed.
Me too ...... now I think it's a MS64
58
Details - cleaned.
Looks nicer than the first picture made it look. I can see both cleaned or straight grade.
IMHO, $3 gold is one of the the most over graded coin types there is.
Reveal time!
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Great!!