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Kokua .... please render your opinion on DDO1 VS DDO2

ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 4, 2019 9:06PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I am placing the 55/55 hunt on the back burner at the moment due to the availability for my ideal as well as the $$$ I am willing to shell for an RD.

Today I am learning a great deal of 1972 DDO Hub doubling :)
There is a significant price different between the top two DDOs ..... >$850 VS >$400
Should I go for "The BIG ONE" as they market it?

If were not for the existence of DDO1, DDO's 2,3,7 and 8 would be more popular

FYI: DDO's 2,4,5 and 7 are rotated clockwise where DDO's 1,3,6,8 are rotated counter clockwise.

Here is the example of the significance doubling of DDO1

.....and the next kin DDO2

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  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MAHALO <3

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I tried to but you pulled the thread. :o

    I copied for posterity....................
    "Yes, but be very picky. There are a ton of 72 DDO #1's out there."
    to add.......... no spots and strong for the grade if you are going to buy one.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 9:04PM

    DDO-001 is the dramatic one.
    Why go for DDO-002 or the others? There are hundreds like that (across several dates).
    http://www.varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/DDO 1972.htm

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On second thought, you live in a tropical environment. Copper doesn't like heat and humidity. Gold is much more stable in that environment.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Go Big or go home.

  • TheRegulatorTheRegulator Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭

    I agree with the others. DDO-001 is the way to go. Keep your powder dry and wait for the right one. Personally, I would avoid any crazy toning and stick to full red. An older holder will give peace of mind regarding stability.

    The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson
  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you got a point there my friend although PCGS holder is water proof isn't it? But not Air Proof? :s

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    On second thought, you live in a tropical environment. Copper doesn't like heat and humidity. Gold is much more stable in that environment.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you mean OGH or the old fatty NGC?

    @TheRegulator said:
    I agree with the others. DDO-001 is the way to go. Keep your powder dry and wait for the right one. Personally, I would avoid any crazy toning and stick to full red. An older holder will give peace of mind regarding stability.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    I think you got a point there my friend although PCGS holder is water proof isn't it? But not Air Proof? :s

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    On second thought, you live in a tropical environment. Copper doesn't like heat and humidity. Gold is much more stable in that environment.

    Neither. Copper will turn in a PCGS holder in the wrong environment.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,825 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From what I have read, there was a mint employee who told his bosses that had found a way to coin dies quicker. Unfortunately his new method resulted in multiple doubled dies, which translates to a large number of doubled dies 1972 cents.

    The most collectible doubled die is the really big one. The others are worth lower prices.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DDO-001 is spectacular, but DDO-004 is far less spectacular but much more valuable.

    2,3,7, and 8 are all nice DDOs, and would be worth a lot more, IMO, if die 1 didn't exist.

    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 9:14PM

    55/55 or bust! :)

    You'd still want it if you had 10 of the "pretenders"

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    I think you got a point there my friend although PCGS holder is water proof isn't it? But not Air Proof? :s

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    On second thought, you live in a tropical environment. Copper doesn't like heat and humidity. Gold is much more stable in that environment.

    If stored correctly and you keep your house free of humidity by using air conditioning you should be OK.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK RD66 WITHOUT any fancy toning :)

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    I think you got a point there my friend although PCGS holder is water proof isn't it? But not Air Proof? :s

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    On second thought, you live in a tropical environment. Copper doesn't like heat and humidity. Gold is much more stable in that environment.

    If stored correctly and you keep your house free of humidity by using air conditioning you should be OK.

    You should ask her if she lives on the beach, and whether or not she sometimes opens the windows to let in the sea breeze. That would be the environment I would be concerned about.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would go RB for saftie's sake.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 9:24PM

    ..... but I can be satisfied by one good pretender than a so-so 55/55 :s:#:D

    @topstuf said:
    55/55 or bust! :)

    You'd still want it if you had 10 of the "pretenders"

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it RD and NOT BR @topstuff ;)

  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DDO1 for sure.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a nasty miss @bolivarshagnasty :o

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hello there ..... did you get my PM? ;)

    @hchcoin said:
    DDO1 for sure.

  • TheRegulatorTheRegulator Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭

    Personally, I don't think the holder needs to be an OGH or fatty NGC. Sticking with anything pre-prong would definitely make me feel better, and there seems to be quite a few 1972 DDOs out there in older holders. A newer holder would not be a deal breaker for me, but there is always that small chance it could turn as a result of mishandling which has yet to become visible. Time is your friend.

    Good luck!

    The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson
  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭

    I would go after #1, but be careful and store it in a safe dry place. One of my friends lived along the coast in Florida a few years back and had a 1787 copper with a lot of red on it. It started turning colors on him because of the tropical client so he ended up getting rid of the coin.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    That's a nasty miss @bolivarshagnasty :o

    :'(:'(:'(

  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    Hello there ..... did you get my PM? ;)

    @hchcoin said:
    DDO1 for sure.

    Nope :smile:

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 9:38PM

    It's very hard to find one that good; at higher grade even ..... and the RD/RB is very elusive unless your willing to shell up to $1800

    @bolivarshagnasty said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    That's a nasty miss @bolivarshagnasty :o

    :'(:'(:'(

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    It's very hard to find one that good; at higher grade even ..... and the RD/RB is very elusive unless your willing to shell up to $1800

    @bolivarshagnasty said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    That's a nasty miss @bolivarshagnasty :o

    :'(:'(:'(

    IIRC, I stopped bidding at $6250.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 9:46PM

    OMG .... I kind of glad you stopped at that point. That is a monster price....so pardon my statement :#;)

    @bolivarshagnasty said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    It's very hard to find one that good; at higher grade even ..... and the RD/RB is very elusive unless your willing to shell up to $1800

    @bolivarshagnasty said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    That's a nasty miss @bolivarshagnasty :o

    :'(:'(:'(

    IIRC, I stopped bidding at $6250.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I want both the 72 and the 55 for my variety type set. Wheat and memorial.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Get one if the COWBOYS get their championship trophy B)

    @DIMEMAN said:
    I want both the 72 and the 55 for my variety type set. Wheat and memorial.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    Get one if the COWBOYS get their championship trophy B)

    @DIMEMAN said:
    I want both the 72 and the 55 for my variety type set. Wheat and memorial.

    :)

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    give me an hour and I think I can come up with one... scattered but doabble with pics

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Should I follow you to BST?

    @emeraldATV said:
    give me an hour and I think I can come up with one... scattered but doabble with pics

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    first look at my file and kinda new here with

  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DDO 1 for the 72. If you find one that meets your qualifications, get it. It will be hard to protect from humidity unless you take precautions. Climate control is expensive and will stop with power outages. We never have those, right?
    Let me offer an alternative. Inexpensive and effective, not affected by power, long lasting. I have used this to protect 1868 Baseball cards I got when my grandfather died in the early sixties. They were fragile and subject to fading from early photography technology. They survived just as I got them, by my memory of decades ago.

    After my stent I decided to sell them because anybody that got them wouldn't appreciate what the were. These were some of the earliest Baseball cards (technically cabinet cards approximately the same size as modern cards) known. They were of my home town team and they were the powerhouse of their day. One card showed baseballs mounted on a plaque, game balls in essence, with writing memorializing the games, This one ball I remember distinctly showed a cumulative score of what appeared to be a tournament. 118 - 7.

    Anyway, I guess I should tell you the technique. Seal-A-Meal. Each card was individually sealed inside it's custom fitted sleeve. No deterioration what so ever. Of course I kept them in an envelope in a dark closet too. The Seal-A-Meal plastic didn't obscure looking at them at all being transparent, thicker and stiffer than zip lock bags and can be tightly fit to the slab.

    This should work for a special slabbed coin you want to protect from the environment.

    There were 13 cards that sold at auction back in mid 2007. I got $18,000 with no auction fees. They were highlighted on the first pages of the auction catalog. I listened in by phone as they were put to the bidding. My heart was pounding as the bids kept rising. I was offered $5,000 before I decided to go the auction route. They got a write up in the home town paper too. Boy was I grinning.

    This is off topic but the technique would make humidity a none issue.


  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 10:54PM

    Oh I really love the good success story like yours @Kudbegud ..... especially they were handed down to you by your grandfather and he was actually looking out for you <3

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome to the CU family :)

    @emeraldATV said:
    first look at my file and kinda new here with

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    still looking have many ...ok

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just a thought ...@Paradisefound.
    You could with some looking
    probably pick up a 66RB/RD of one of the "lesser" doubled dies....and likely still have enough left over for a nice 64RB of die 1.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55/55?

    @mannie gray said:
    Just a thought ...@Paradisefound.
    You could with some looking
    probably pick up a 66RB/RD of one of the "lesser" doubled dies....and likely still have enough left over for a nice 64RB of die 1.

  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you are vigilant and patient you should be able to find the 72 AND the 55


  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I wanted a DDO, instead of spending hundreds for a 72, I would wait and keep the money for a 55 (or a 16 buffalo)

  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 11:52PM

    That Buffalo is a little more than a 72 or 55


    There is a "bargain" AU58 though


  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm on every night at 11pm - 3am im gonna make a list of 5 only, no rush just check back in sat or sun or email me. k

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would save and get a 55/55 in 63RB. You'll be so happy having it and looking at the dramatic doubling !!! :)

    Timbuk3
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would go with a nice brown coin.

    They are much cheaper than a red but the real reason is a red coin is much more likely to develop carbon spots.

    If that happens you would HATE your once pretty and expensive coin.

    It would then become an UGLY but really cheap coin for the next owner. :o

    JMHO,,,,,,,

    GrandAm :)
  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One of these years I might pick up a nice DDO. I think I would save for the 55 and do it right the first time.

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