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BasketcaseBasketcase Posts: 24 ✭
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Hey all, wanted your thoughts on the grade of this coin.


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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dipped AU Details

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  • BasketcaseBasketcase Posts: 24 ✭

    Thanks Broadstruck. I noticed a lack of luster on the coin, but when I look at it, I just cant find where it was circulated. What do you see or is it also just the lack of luster?

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those deep hits on the Rev are a good start to show its been mess with.

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  • BasketcaseBasketcase Posts: 24 ✭

    Sorry I am very new. Please explain further. Also what is whizzed?

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with whizzed. The surfaces are off and definitely have been altered. A coin with that level of details should have lots of original mint luster left.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,685 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2019 1:38PM

    Hard to tell since it's under plastic, and a photograph, but I also suspect whizzed due to the flat luster and
    grainy looking surface. But it could just be dipped (still bad for copper coins), and it's the die state causing the grainy look, and the plastic making the luster look so flat.

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  • BasketcaseBasketcase Posts: 24 ✭

    When I get back to the house I will take it out and see if there is any difference. These pictures are angled so you are getting some shadows I think and the zoom in is via my phone and can cause graininess. I will take some more and hopefully it helps confirm or change your mind. Thanks for all the great feedback!

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It might be Unc details but I agree with the others posters that it has altered surfaces.

  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU/UNC but no way are the surfaces original... if it's dipped (as opposed to cleaned), it's really badly dipped.

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I vote recolored. Maybe to hide something, it just looks wrong to me.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that the piece was dipped in acid to the point when the chemical etched the metal. The pits in the surface go way beyond the normal die fatigue that is seen on these coins at times. The piece has lots of nice detail, but the damage from the improper dipping is severe.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,680 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Could be acid dipped or whizzed as previously mentioned.

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  • BasketcaseBasketcase Posts: 24 ✭

    Here are some more pics that are not zoomed in with my camera to avoid the camera zoom causing graininess.

    Thoughts?

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The mildly telescopic pic does make the coin look better; however, the color is still off and surfaces are not original.

  • BasketcaseBasketcase Posts: 24 ✭

    I may send this in to be graded to see what pcgs thinks. I know I am crazy, but I am curious now.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basketcase said:
    I may send this in to be graded to see what pcgs thinks. I know I am crazy, but I am curious now.

    Your choice but I'm sure it will be a waste of money, I see no way that coin will receive a grade.

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  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 736 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2019 7:06PM

    @Basketcase said:
    I may send this in to be graded to see what pcgs thinks. I know I am crazy, but I am curious now.

    Why throw good money after bad? I don’t know the cost of grading on it but I highly doubt that you will be pleased with the results. Put the money into the silver eagle instead!

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agreed... both images show a coin with altered surfaces. The second set of images appear to show some sort of pitting?? It could be the result of an acid dip that took care of the corrosion, and this is what's left. Nice details .... could be UNC... but I'd pass.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with all above...either acid dipped or lightly whizzed...and it will be a waste of money to send it for grading... That being said, it is your money, and your coin... so do what satisfies your curiosity....Let us know what you decide. Cheers, RickO

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,685 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you are 'curious', you won't learn much by 'sending it in'....it will come back in a holder stating Genuine - altered surfaces, or something like that.
    If you are able to take it to a show, show it to dealers or any TPGs that might be set up, offering courtesy opinions. Then they can explain to you what they are seeing.

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  • BasketcaseBasketcase Posts: 24 ✭

    Thanks everyone. I will bring it to a local dealer here and hopefully get my learn on. Appreciate the help!

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks possibly polished. to the boards!

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not all your BU cents have been cleaned, assuming you have many others and you haven't been buying from one or two sources who may be cleaning their coins. My point is, compare all your coins to see/learn of a consistency in strike, grade and luster.....the way you'd want them to be. The majority should look original where one or two may have a different appearance.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Leo has good advice... if you have access to PCGS graded MS Lincoln Cents, or the funds to purchase a few, study those and compare the pice in the OP. Looking, educating, and then buying, is sort of the price of tuition to numismatics.

    Enjoy... and welcome to the boards...

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,456 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basketcase said:
    Thanks Broadstruck. I noticed a lack of luster on the coin, but when I look at it, I just cant find where it was circulated. What do you see or is it also just the lack of luster?

    That coin has been cleaned in lemon juice or some other acid

  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,018 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bad

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just a note, your first set of pics looks like you might have cranked up the contrast a bit and
    that might have led to some of the "graininess"
    Just look at the 2X2 as it also shows the effect.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"

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