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Do aging eyes alter perception of grade.

CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

For hobbyists and professionals?

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  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bigmarty58 said:
    Without utilizing your tools i.e. eye glasses and loupe, yes.

    This. Absolutely. +100.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2018 9:46AM

    Price alters perception of the market more than " mine eyes have seen the glory."

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No. However, the added experience of age can greatly improve the accuracy of grading, provided one is objective.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Easily solved with high end resolution images on a big screen ....

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,325 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Once you acquire your rose-colored glasses, it's all over!

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    For hobbyists and professionals?

    No. Leniency and the purported "Gradeflation" might make your eyes perceive things differently, though.

    Pete

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2018 10:06AM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    Easily solved with high end resolution images on a big screen ....

    Magnification is the great "equalizer." Then you'll need to learn not to "micro-grade" as you'll see more on a coin than most will. :wink:

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    For hobbyists and professionals?

    No ... just the distance you hold the coin from your eyes! LOL

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,601 ✭✭✭✭✭

    According to my eye doctor, my eyes have been getting better. The main thing that has changed has been the lowering of grading standards.

    But yes, if you need glasses, use them.

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  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Half dimes are out, Morgans are suspect. I now have an interest in $50 Pan Pacs and $5 ounce ATB quarters.

    :#

  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 716 ✭✭✭✭

    I am still as conservative a grader as ever and I can still see flaws such as cleaning, porosity, etc. I just need a glass and a red book to figure out what kind of coin I am looking at. ;)

  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I got one of these as my coins got blurrier, and believe me my set looks fantastic now :smiley:

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  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Aging eyes don't alter the perception of grade but they do alter the ability to see the coin.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What's important is the next owner's eyes. :p

  • IntueorIntueor Posts: 310 ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe the problem lies in the aging of what's behind the eyes. ;)

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  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    What's important is the next owner's eyes. :p

    Or better yet, his dog's.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I take my glasses off, everything looks MS70. The lines and ticks all blur together.

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think once you've seen enough coins, grading moves from Science, to an Art, and finally to a Philosophy.

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  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My philosphy: I ignore plastic from grades AG-AU58 and grade by my standards. If I like the coin and the price, the plastic grade is invisible to me.

    If the coin grades MS-62-64 and I like the coin, I buy it. If a coin grades 65 or higher (for classics at least) I let someone else buy it because it was probably once a 63 or 64 and now gradeflated up. Price point for 65 higher is not worth it an any classic coin IMO. 64 can be a stunner and your pocketbook thanks you and you can avoid the registry set silliness.

  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It depends on the individual, their skill in grading, lighting and magnification. Deficiencies in any of those categories will affect grade opinion. Cheers, RickO

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,698 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The "look" is more important than the grade.

  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Experience alters your perception.

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    A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.



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  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Aging eyes, no.

    But if you need corrective lenses and not using them, yes. ;)

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think magnification helps. My usb microscope plugged into my Samsung s8+ is a great set-up. I also use a headset magnifier and a bronze German loupe from my photogravure days. Peace Roy

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,362 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suppose that deteriorating eyesight could alter one’s perception of value. Meaning that the harder it is to see minor differences in quality, the less it might make sense to pay extreme premiums for minor upgrades. And the more arm’s length eye appeal will take precedence over trivial technical surface quality issues like the lightest of hairlines.

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  • ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I find that experience has overridden my aging and that I grade better now than when I was a kid.

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely, why wouldn't it ? It's part of the process of getting old !!! :'(

    Timbuk3
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Intueor said:
    Maybe the problem lies in the aging of what's behind the eyes. ;)

    I disagree. It is what goes into the brain in the first place. That's the problem, not the eyes which can be aided. Thankfully, the brain can become educated also.

  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018 7:17PM

    According to the drivers license folks, I see better now than I ever have. I've worn glasses since I was in my late 20's and I couldn't pass the drivers eye test without them. I switched to bifocals before I was 45. Then in my late 50's I started to notice that I was seeing better. By the time I took my next drivers eye test at 65, I didn't need the glasses to pass. For the next year or so, I would still wear them for night driving since things seemed sharper. Now, I don't wear them at all.

    I've always felt "comfortable" looking over the details of coins even when I wore glasses. What's changed in the last several decades of collecting is my availability to GTG pretty accurately. At least for the series I collect.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018 7:18PM

    What once was a 5 is now an 8, if egg nog goggles on everything suddenly becomes a 10. Ha

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