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burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

Unattributed early large cent on eBay turned out to be a rare 1793 S-16; a true R-6 variety surely near the bottom of the Condition Census. It has a severe planchet defect- Noted in Breen’s work on large cents many of the 1793’s and 1794 head of ‘93’s were struck on defective planchets resembling “mud balls”!

Nice job by PCGS to verify the attribution and note it on the label.


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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I understand the draw for an R6, but I'd rather acquire something less rare in better condition for less money with more eye appeal.

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reminds me of the planchets for the chain cent.(bad).

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it, big honking planchet flaw and all. You have saved this coin from ending up in the dustbin of stuff. Peace Roy

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    ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    For all of us who don't know. What makes a S-16 so rare?

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @grip said:
    Reminds me of the planchets for the chain cent.(bad).

    It's been my experience that the planchets that were used for the Wreath Cents were worse, especially those used to make the S-11 subvarieites. The 1793 Cap Cents were probably made from the same generation of crummy copper.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 19, 2018 2:08PM

    **For all of us who don't know. What makes a S-16 so rare?
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    Estimated less than 700 struck to begin with, then factor in wear and tear, lost, melted, etc.
    Being a '93 Liberty Cap, it will always have a following, despite the issues.

    Interesting that the Brand/Sheldon/Naftzger/Rasmussen example also had a very large planchet defect/lamination on the obverse, and was #4 in the CC, in (EAC) VG condition.

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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could learn to love it. Lol

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My raw images:

    The only '93 cap I could swing the $ to add to my low grade date set and it is this rare variety.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    Sorry, but I guess this is a thrill for some collectors, since it's a rare Sheldon variety, but this is just too low grade for me. If I can't afford or can't find something better than this, I will pass.

    Understood, but my niche in the collecting world is low grade identifiable early large cents so it works for me.

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    Sorry, but I guess this is a thrill for some collectors, since it's a rare Sheldon variety...

    Yep. That's me!

    Smitten with DBLCs.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess I am a bit surprised by the G details they gave it....years ago I had a meatier example than this (a 'common' S13 variety) and it received Fair details.

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hear that train a coming, coming around the ben, and if I don't hurry it wont
    be red again............J/K

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    ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That would be a fun coin to try to attribute!! I have never owned a 1793 flowing hair. I am curious as to how it is graded good(details)? Do lower graded ones, or in particular, this variety, normally come this weak on the reverse?

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fair point. "Good" seems quite generous.

    @Colonialcoin said:
    That would be a fun coin to try to attribute!! I have never owned a 1793 flowing hair. I am curious as to how it is graded good(details)? Do lower graded ones, or in particular, this variety, normally come this weak on the reverse?

    Smitten with DBLCs.

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    PurfrockPurfrock Posts: 545 ✭✭✭

    Great find! Getting a Lib Cap in any condition is difficult and expensive. Congrats on the awesome pickup!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Although I would be excited to find such a coin (quite possible where I live) while metal detecting, I would not purchase one in this condition. I like a tad more detail... Cheers, RickO

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2018 5:39PM

    And obviously I would- guess that's the other side of the "coin"!

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