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Care to GTG of this Morgan? Grade Revealed

CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 14, 2018 9:49AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Anyone care to take a guess at the grade our host gave this 93S Morgan? Answer to be posted sometime Friday.


(Post edited on Friday 12/14/18 - it's a 53) I'll be sending it and ~19 other coins off to CAC in late January.

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  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU 58 !

    Care to stop showing off ??

    LOL ...........

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That has a great original, wholesome look to it for that grade!
    I'll guess AU53. Each of those AU grade steps is crazy expensive for this coin.

    Congrats on getting a beauty as the flagship to your Morgan set.

  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 11, 2018 8:11PM

    @Soldi said:
    AU 58 !

    Care to stop showing off ??

    LOL ...........

    I didn't say it was mine :) .... Or maybe it is, I do have a few of them.....

  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @david3142 said:
    That has a great original, wholesome look to it for that grade!
    I'll guess AU53. Each of those AU grade steps is crazy expensive for this coin.

    Congrats on getting a beauty as the flagship to your Morgan set.

    Oh yeah ! That's right ! encourage him. :):):)

  • coinhackcoinhack Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭✭

    XF40

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 11, 2018 7:59PM

    AU Details either altered surfaces or cleaned! Could be the picture!

    Edit after I enlarged the picture it's counterfeit!

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Damn, an almost AU55 93s. Looks 54.5 to me, would that make it a TPG 53+ or possibly a 53 with one of those little green stickers. Is it the real dealio or Chinese/Russian? Lulz Congrats!!!!!!!!

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  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭✭✭

    50 shot 53

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    53.

  • Pittstate03Pittstate03 Posts: 117 ✭✭✭

    XF45

  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:
    Damn, an almost AU55 93s. Looks 54.5 to me, would that make it a TPG 53+ or possibly a 53 with one of those little green stickers. Is it the real dealio or Chinese/Russian? Lulz Congrats!!!!!!!!

    Three denticles from the point of the truncation and then a denticle directly under the numeral 1..........lest the chinese got really good at this.

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    AU Details either altered surfaces or cleaned! Could be the picture!

    Edit after I enlarged the picture it's counterfeit!

    It’s in a PCGS holder.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That ain't real either!

    @david3142 said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    AU Details either altered surfaces or cleaned! Could be the picture!

    Edit after I enlarged the picture it's counterfeit!

    It’s in a PCGS holder.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Blow up the picture! Liberty isn't incuse!

    @Soldi said:

    @blitzdude said:
    Damn, an almost AU55 93s. Looks 54.5 to me, would that make it a TPG 53+ or possibly a 53 with one of those little green stickers. Is it the real dealio or Chinese/Russian? Lulz Congrats!!!!!!!!

    Three denticles from the point of the truncation and then a denticle directly under the numeral 1..........lest the chinese got really good at this.

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,680 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm also in the 45 camp.

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't see the "rabbit ears" when I blow it up.....is it real?

    bob

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  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Blow up the picture! Liberty isn't incuse!

    @Soldi said:

    @blitzdude said:
    Damn, an almost AU55 93s. Looks 54.5 to me, would that make it a TPG 53+ or possibly a 53 with one of those little green stickers. Is it the real dealio or Chinese/Russian? Lulz Congrats!!!!!!!!

    Three denticles from the point of the truncation and then a denticle directly under the numeral 1..........lest the chinese got really good at this.

    Sure it is. It often does look raised though, even in hand.

  • santinidollarsantinidollar Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU50

  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 11, 2018 9:11PM

    @amwldcoin said:
    Blow up the picture! Liberty isn't incuse!

    @Soldi said:

    @blitzdude said:
    Damn, an almost AU55 93s. Looks 54.5 to me, would that make it a TPG 53+ or possibly a 53 with one of those little green stickers. Is it the real dealio or Chinese/Russian? Lulz Congrats!!!!!!!!

    Three denticles from the point of the truncation and then a denticle directly under the numeral 1..........lest the chinese got really good at this.

    delusion is suppose to be a joke

    The date slopes up the R is missing the inner foot the T has the die break line . That view of the word Liberty is an optical delusion. Blown up the picture has a certain posterization to it

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s a tough call because the photos don’t show the luster if there is any. If there is little or no luster, it’s an AU-50 on the holder, or an EF-45. If there is luster it could go as high as AU-55, but the 1893-S dollar in AU should have more detail on the eagle’s breast feathers.

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  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ...you must be good with the wife (like James Bond good) to be able to open your Christmas gift 14 days early...Awesome Morgan and Congrats! ;)

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    53

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm with the crowd here at 53

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @3keepSECRETif2rDEAD said:
    ...you must be good with the wife (like James Bond good) to be able to open your Christmas gift 14 days early...Awesome Morgan and Congrats! ;)

    Well sort of... "Her" Christmas present arrived at the dealership early so.........

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    53

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll give ya that but I'm not seeing the diagnostic die scratches in Liberty and the pictures seem to be good enough to be able to see them. I need to see it in hand now to render judgement!

    @david3142 said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Blow up the picture! Liberty isn't incuse!

    @Soldi said:

    @blitzdude said:
    Damn, an almost AU55 93s. Looks 54.5 to me, would that make it a TPG 53+ or possibly a 53 with one of those little green stickers. Is it the real dealio or Chinese/Russian? Lulz Congrats!!!!!!!!

    Three denticles from the point of the truncation and then a denticle directly under the numeral 1..........lest the chinese got really good at this.

    Sure it is. It often does look raised though, even in hand.

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CCGGG said:

    @3keepSECRETif2rDEAD said:
    ...you must be good with the wife (like James Bond good) to be able to open your Christmas gift 14 days early...Awesome Morgan and Congrats! ;)

    Well sort of... "Her" Christmas present arrived at the dealership early so.........

    I like that! LOL :)

    So what was it?

  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF 45 due to lack of luster and breast detail.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is the "1" in the date supposed to be centered over a denticle? I don't see the die gouge in LIBERTY either...

    There's that, and I'm also seeing a greenish hue around the rims of the obverse and greenish spots over the ear... PVC?

    without seeing this coin in hand, I'd say AU55.... maybe a details coin...

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  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:

    @CCGGG said:

    @3keepSECRETif2rDEAD said:
    ...you must be good with the wife (like James Bond good) to be able to open your Christmas gift 14 days early...Awesome Morgan and Congrats! ;)

    Well sort of... "Her" Christmas present arrived at the dealership early so.........

    I like that! LOL :)

    So what was it?

    Murano

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very Nice!

  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 12, 2018 7:19AM

    @amwldcoin said:
    I'll give ya that but I'm not seeing the diagnostic die scratches in Liberty and the pictures seem to be good enough to be able to see them. I need to see it in hand now to render judgement!

    I'm looking at it now. The 1 is in the right place, the raised 3 is correct, etc. The die scratch in the T is easily seen with a 10x loop but not in the picture. (my bad photography skills)

    That's interesting comment on the die scratch though. I have had (and still have a few) 93S and I've always been able to see the "scratch" in the T "except for one" of them. (I often needed a loop to see the scratch on some) All I had were certified by either NGC or PCGS but there was a VG10 that I "once had that I could not see it no matter what I used or how many times I looked at it... All the other diagnostics were there but I couldn't see the scratch. :s I just couldn't live with that one even if it was in a PCGS slab.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well... I will go with the 53 crowd on this one... The Eagle's breast feathers seem to be very worn.... unusual when compared to the rest of the coin... IMO... Cheers, RickO

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Glad you can see it. I've had several 93-S's and I was able to get the die scratch to show in my pictures. I don't have an expensive fancy camera either!

    @CCGGG said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    I'll give ya that but I'm not seeing the diagnostic die scratches in Liberty and the pictures seem to be good enough to be able to see them. I need to see it in hand now to render judgement!

    I'm looking at it now. The 1 is in the right place, the raised 3 is correct, etc. The die scratch in the T is easily seen with a 10x loop but not in the picture. (my bad photography skills)

    That's interesting comment on the die scratch though. I have had (and still have a few) 93S and I've always been able to see the "scratch" in the T "except for one" of them. (I often needed a loop to see the scratch on some) All I had were certified by either NGC or PCGS but there was a VG10 that I "once had that I could not see it no matter what I used or how many times I looked at it... All the other diagnostics were there but I couldn't see the scratch. :s I just couldn't live with that one even if it was in a PCGS slab.

  • dmwestdmwest Posts: 959 ✭✭✭✭

    AU50

    Don't quote me on that.

  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    au53

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Wish I had one.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't see the diagnostic die mark on liberty.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CCGGG said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    I'll give ya that but I'm not seeing the diagnostic die scratches in Liberty and the pictures seem to be good enough to be able to see them. I need to see it in hand now to render judgement!

    I'm looking at it now. The 1 is in the right place, the raised 3 is correct, etc. The die scratch in the T is easily seen with a 10x loop but not in the picture. (my bad photography skills)

    That's interesting comment on the die scratch though. I have had (and still have a few) 93S and I've always been able to see the "scratch" in the T "except for one" of them. (I often needed a loop to see the scratch on some) All I had were certified by either NGC or PCGS but there was a VG10 that I "once had that I could not see it no matter what I used or how many times I looked at it... All the other diagnostics were there but I couldn't see the scratch. :s I just couldn't live with that one even if it was in a PCGS slab.

    Oh :)

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF details, cleaned

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  • Wahoo554Wahoo554 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU 50

  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grade revealed today in the original post

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CCGGG said:
    Grade revealed today in the original post

    Awesome! Congrats on the straight grade! :)

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CCGGG said:
    (Post edited on Friday 12/14/18 - it's a 53) I'll be sending it and ~19 other coins off to CAC in late January.

    Please let us know how it goes. The surfaces are hard to evaluate from those photos, but nothing jumps out as being problematic. The "meat" of the coin is all there. Unless there is something hidden in the photos, I think it should bean.

  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Once again Solidus of the Mountain gets the grade correct !

    Nice coin! Very nice coin. Congrats.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CCGGG said:
    Grade revealed today in the original post

    damn I over graded it by a +. What the hell is wrong with me, I know I'm losing it when I go higher than the TPG. lol

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  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So I pretty much had it :)

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congrats!!!

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LeeBone said:
    So I pretty much had it :)

    For what it is worth (and to the OP's advantage), CAC treats AU50 and AU53 equivalently.

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