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1958 D wheat with rim errors and body image on reverse.
Smithtim28
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What is everybodys thoughts on this. I havent seen a 58 like this. 
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Maybe misaligned die? But that is some weird rimming. Need edge pic to try and rule out spooning.
it might just be a off centered strike which does not really increase the value
It's a mis-aligned die first off. The "spurring" is on the outside, and there is also damage through the "L' in LIBERTY.
I think the coin was damaged by a counting machine, as the rim is slightly off.
Pete
Encased coin popped out imo
What they said. Help us understand what you mean by "body image on reverse"? I'm not seeing anything but a buggered O in ONE. Such an image would normally happen with clashed dies.
Nice holder -- those Westward Journey Nickels were neat but I can tell by the holder "condition" you weren't impressed! I've got a few of those hanging around too. Oh well.
Edited typo-
So on the reverse it almost looks as though lincolns whole body outline is present. Let me get a cou pl le more pictures you guys gimme a couple min.
Hmmm when I cross my eyes twice I think I see Jesus but not Lincoln. Can you elaborate on what you are seeing on the reverse. Or are you just joshing us...?
The "body image on reverse" is called "progressive indirect design transfer." Its similar to clashing where clashing imparts the design to the other die due to the dies physically hitting each other without a planchet in between, PIDT imparts the image by striking so many coins that the the design begins to bleed through the planchets and indirectly transfer the design to the other die. A neat manifestation of extreem die wear.
@CascadeChris are you a mind reader?
What are you seeing??
Yes thanks for the explanation cascadechris does any of those extra photos help with the answer for the rim of the coin.
Straight edge-on photos may help.
Maybe initial stages of vise grip spooner, i.e., coin held with needle nose vise grip by its edge, which left the teeth marks, and then hammered smooth.
Example vid, but instead of holding with fingers use needle nose vise grips.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CSsHWJr5DS0
Or, it could be something else. Abe has gone through a lot of abuse through the decades.
So i was on the lines of thinking something else. So just for kicks i wanted to see exactly how far apart these edge strikes were. So i grabbed the closest coin that has the edge lineing and put them together. A dime and this penny. So weird thing is they are equal distance between when lined up. For every line on the edge dime it lined perfecty to the edges on the penny
The ribbed edge action on the obv is curious, in two separate sections below the shoulder with that extended rim. I want to know what @Insider2 thinks. Peace Roy
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This. It was once in a Lucky holder.
Ahhh... nice example!
That's it! Good observation. It can be nothing else.
Pete
Mystery solved, nice group effort, CU is worth the effort. Peace Roy
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Exactly... encased in a 'lucky' holder - or 'you will never be broke' holder....used to be very common. Cheers, RickO
So im not sure i understand guys. Im still relatively new to the coin world.
Here's what is being referred to: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonny-Looks-Restaurants-Houston-Texas-Lucky-1974-Penny-Good-Luck-Souvenir/322644159502?hash=item4b1f172c0e:g:DPYAAOSwQHFZizYA:rk:8:pf:0
These were common in the's 50's and 60's.
I still don't see the obverse image on the reverse?
So were these all pre made like this with the obverse of the coin showing face up with the lucky side or did people put the coin in which ever way they wanted
Tails for luck
They were normally sold as a unit. Often as a local souvenir. I've seen them heads and tails.
Summary: Mis-aligned die with PMD.
Edit to add: And add die wear.
Lucky coins in holders are still being made today, although there were many made in the late 1950s and the 1960s.
This picture is of a lucky coin dated a bit later:
The Front edge damage on the OP's coin is just PMD, whatever the cause.
One cent in lawful money of the USA. Don't spend it all in one place!
So question when you put a coin in your lucky holder does it give the coin the edge on both sides.
Ive never heard anyone say find a penny on tails pick it up for good luck
These are made with a set of dies. The coin is put in the hole and the strike locks the coin in the holder.
This is a fun one. Note how the dies left an impression on the rim of the coin.
Removed from a lucky penny holder – as others have said –
not an error of any type
The 'ghost' of Lincoln on the reverse of your coin is very common. The same phenomenon is easily seen on Walking Liberty halves and Barber quarters and halves struck with well-worn dies. Thanks @CascadeChris for the technical name ... I could not remember it.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces