1958 D wheat with rim errors and body image on reverse.

Smithtim28

What is everybodys thoughts on this. I havent seen a 58 like this.

Hemispherical

Maybe misaligned die? But that is some weird rimming. Need edge pic to try and rule out spooning.

coinzzz

it might just be a off centered strike which does not really increase the value

BuffaloIronTail

It's a mis-aligned die first off. The "spurring" is on the outside, and there is also damage through the "L' in LIBERTY.

I think the coin was damaged by a counting machine, as the rim is slightly off.

Pete

ctf_error_coins

Encased coin popped out imo

Akbeez

What they said. Help us understand what you mean by "body image on reverse"? I'm not seeing anything but a buggered O in ONE. Such an image would normally happen with clashed dies.

Nice holder -- those Westward Journey Nickels were neat but I can tell by the holder "condition" you weren't impressed! I've got a few of those hanging around too. Oh well.

Edited typo-

Smithtim28

So on the reverse it almost looks as though lincolns whole body outline is present. Let me get a cou pl le more pictures you guys gimme a couple min.

Smithtim28

Akbeez

Hmmm when I cross my eyes twice I think I see Jesus but not Lincoln. Can you elaborate on what you are seeing on the reverse. Or are you just joshing us...?

CascadeChris

The "body image on reverse" is called "progressive indirect design transfer." Its similar to clashing where clashing imparts the design to the other die due to the dies physically hitting each other without a planchet in between, PIDT imparts the image by striking so many coins that the the design begins to bleed through the planchets and indirectly transfer the design to the other die. A neat manifestation of extreem die wear.

Akbeez

@CascadeChris are you a mind reader? What are you seeing??

Smithtim28

Yes thanks for the explanation cascadechris does any of those extra photos help with the answer for the rim of the coin.

Hemispherical

Straight edge-on photos may help.

Maybe initial stages of vise grip spooner, i.e., coin held with needle nose vise grip by its edge, which left the teeth marks, and then hammered smooth.

Example vid, but instead of holding with fingers use needle nose vise grips.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CSsHWJr5DS0

Or, it could be something else. Abe has gone through a lot of abuse through the decades.

Smithtim28

So i was on the lines of thinking something else. So just for kicks i wanted to see exactly how far apart these edge strikes were. So i grabbed the closest coin that has the edge lineing and put them together. A dime and this penny. So weird thing is they are equal distance between when lined up. For every line on the edge dime it lined perfecty to the edges on the penny

Namvet69

The ribbed edge action on the obv is curious, in two separate sections below the shoulder with that extended rim. I want to know what @Insider2 thinks. Peace Roy

ldhair

@ErrorsOnCoins said:
Encased coin popped out imo

This. It was once in a Lucky holder.

ldhair

Hemispherical

@ldhair said:

Ahhh... nice example!

BuffaloIronTail

@ldhair said:

@ErrorsOnCoins said:
Encased coin popped out imo

This. It was once in a Lucky holder.

That's it! Good observation. It can be nothing else.

Pete

Namvet69

Mystery solved, nice group effort, CU is worth the effort. Peace Roy

ricko

Exactly... encased in a 'lucky' holder - or 'you will never be broke' holder....used to be very common. Cheers, RickO

Smithtim28

So im not sure i understand guys. Im still relatively new to the coin world.

Akbeez

Here's what is being referred to: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonny-Looks-Restaurants-Houston-Texas-Lucky-1974-Penny-Good-Luck-Souvenir/322644159502?hash=item4b1f172c0e:g:DPYAAOSwQHFZizYA:rk:8:pf:0

These were common in the's 50's and 60's.

I still don't see the obverse image on the reverse?

Smithtim28

So were these all pre made like this with the obverse of the coin showing face up with the lucky side or did people put the coin in which ever way they wanted
Tails for luck

Akbeez

They were normally sold as a unit. Often as a local souvenir. I've seen them heads and tails.

Hemispherical

Summary: Mis-aligned die with PMD.

Edit to add: And add die wear.

BillDugan1959

Lucky coins in holders are still being made today, although there were many made in the late 1950s and the 1960s.

This picture is of a lucky coin dated a bit later:

The Front edge damage on the OP's coin is just PMD, whatever the cause.

One cent in lawful money of the USA. Don't spend it all in one place!

Smithtim28

So question when you put a coin in your lucky holder does it give the coin the edge on both sides.

Smithtim28

Ive never heard anyone say find a penny on tails pick it up for good luck

ldhair

These are made with a set of dies. The coin is put in the hole and the strike locks the coin in the holder.

This is a fun one. Note how the dies left an impression on the rim of the coin.

FredWeinberg

Removed from a lucky penny holder – as others have said –
not an error of any type

astrorat

@CascadeChris said:
The "body image on reverse" is called "progressive indirect design transfer." Its similar to clashing where clashing imparts the design to the other die due to the dies physically hitting each other without a planchet in between, PIDT imparts the image by striking so many coins that the the design begins to bleed through the planchets and indirectly transfer the design to the other die. A neat manifestation of extreem die wear.

The 'ghost' of Lincoln on the reverse of your coin is very common. The same phenomenon is easily seen on Walking Liberty halves and Barber quarters and halves struck with well-worn dies. Thanks @CascadeChris for the technical name ... I could not remember it.