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POLL: Have you read Cornelius Vermeule's "Numismatic Art in America"?

Cornelius Vermeule started collecting coins as a boy in 1930s England. He entered
Harvard in 1943 but then joined the Army, was sent to the Pacific Theater in World
War II, and stayed in Japan after the war as a language expert, rising to the rank
of captain. He finally earned his Harvard degree in 1947 and a Ph.D. from the University
of London in 1953. He then embarked on an impressive academic and curatorial career.
He was twice director of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, while serving as curator of
classical art; was lecturer in fine arts at Harvard University; and was professor of both
fine arts and classics at Boston College for more than 20 years. He authored and edited
more than a dozen works on applied numismatics, archaeology, painting, sculpture, and
other arts.


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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    now that sounds like some books i'd be proud to have read/own to replace some of the other junk i'd picked up along the way.
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My favorite "coin book" period.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,716 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have used Vermeule's book many, many times over the years while writing articles. I am glad to have the new edition that was updated by David T. Alexander.

    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Parts of it. Excellent book!
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  • Good book but long out of print. Somebody should republish it. Oh wait, somebody already did.

    I recall reading a parody of Vermeule describing some simple item. He had an expressive style that made for good parody.
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Glad I was reminded of this great book.

    Vermeule's 1893-S $1 is now THE PCGS MS67. . image Isn't it now the Coronet piece?

    IIRC Harvey Stack told me Vermeule, a long-time friend of his, was connected with the post-WWII intelligence community.
    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭


    << <i>IIRC Harvey Stack told me Vermeule, a long-time friend of his, was connected with the post-WWII intelligence community. >>



    That wouldn't surprise me, given his military background and his skill with languages.

    I feel honored to have been his publisher, for the updated release (second edition) of
    Numismatic Art in America, brought up to date, as Capt Henway mentioned,
    by David T. Alexander. He would sometimes send me postcards, eruditely written, and
    in what might have been a cryptographic style! Instead of starting at upper-left and
    writing in straight lines, he would begin writing in the center of the card, then spiral
    around and around until he concluded with his signature. Creative and iconoclastic!



  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Glad I was reminded of this great book.

    Vermeule's 1893-S $1 is now THE PCGS MS67. . image Isn't it now the Coronet piece?
    >>




    I'm working with Miles Standish on a Morgan dollar book that's illustrated with the coins of
    the Coronet Collection. They're all remarkable! And of course a Vermeule provenance only
    adds to the numismatic sparkle.



  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have read the first edition cover-to-cover many times and it is my favorite coin book of all time. I do not own the second edition.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks like it is available on the Kindle for digital download.
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vermeule's book is a great book, one that every collector of U.S. coins should have in his/her personal library.
    Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA

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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    There are multiple used copies available here.
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,928 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Get her while you can......$25.99 delivered
  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭
    If you're a member of the American Numismatic Association you can also
    borrow a copy for free from the ANA library.


  • BGBG Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely a very good read.

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  • brg5658brg5658 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interestingly, within 3 hours of this post being made yesterday, all of the copies on Amazon under the $30 mark (new) disappeared. I can't wait to get my copy, thanks for bringing this book to my attention, it looks to be a great read!

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  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Yes I have. Think it was TomB who recommended it to me and it became my favorite numismatic book.
    Was fortunate enough to find a first edition and love what it says on the dust jacket sleeve:

    Coins are a form of art to which every American is exposed - the only class of sculpture with which
    many will ever come in contact.


    His artistic persective on the designs is what makes it a must read, but great historical details as well.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,789 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are two editions of this book, and I have both. The first one was published by Quartermen, and I prefer it. The commentary is sharper. The second is okay, but I would buy the first one if you can find it. Vermeule did not pull any punches were he did not care for a design in the first one. The second takes a softer approach.

    I have never read either one cover to cover, but I have sections of them many times.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that sounds like a very good read.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,716 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There are two editions of this book, and I have both. The first one was published by Quartermen, and I prefer it. The commentary is sharper. The second is okay, but I would buy the first one if you can find it. Vermeule did not pull any punches were he did not care for a design in the first one. The second takes a softer approach.

    I have never read either one cover to cover, but I have sections of them many times. >>



    Are you saying that the original part was changed when the expanded edition was done, or that the added section was not as pointed as the original part?
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,789 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>There are two editions of this book, and I have both. The first one was published by Quartermen, and I prefer it. The commentary is sharper. The second is okay, but I would buy the first one if you can find it. Vermeule did not pull any punches were he did not care for a design in the first one. The second takes a softer approach.

    I have never read either one cover to cover, but I have sections of them many times. >>



    Are you saying that the original part was changed when the expanded edition was done, or that the added section was not as pointed as the original part? >>



    I'm not near my library right now, but as I remember the second edition is a re-write.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭
    I can attest that none of Vermeule's trenchant and biting commentary
    was toned down in the second edition.

    David Alexander's chapter XI, "Numismatic Art Into the 21st Century,"
    pages 207 - 247, picks up the narrative where Vermeule's original
    left off. The two writers' voices are different, of course --- any two
    writers would have different tones and nuances --- but it goes
    without saying that Alexander is a worthy numismatist to carry
    the baton forward. His coverage includes:

    The Numismatic Horizon Widens: 1972 to 1976
    American Arts Gold Medallions
    The Susan B. Anthony Dollar: From Hope to Fiasco
    Ex Tenebris: The Return of Commemorative Coinage
    The Statehood Quarter Revolution



  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,716 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>There are two editions of this book, and I have both. The first one was published by Quartermen, and I prefer it. The commentary is sharper. The second is okay, but I would buy the first one if you can find it. Vermeule did not pull any punches were he did not care for a design in the first one. The second takes a softer approach.

    I have never read either one cover to cover, but I have sections of them many times. >>



    Are you saying that the original part was changed when the expanded edition was done, or that the added section was not as pointed as the original part? >>



    I'm not near my library right now, but as I remember the second edition is a re-write. >>



    I checked with Dave. He says that all he did in the original section was to update verb tenses (such as, "so-and-so works at" to "worked at" or whatever) and correct a few factual errors. Pictures were reshot in color and the type was reset.

    So, with the new edition you get all of the old one plus the updated section.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I recall reading a parody of Vermeule describing some simple item. He had an expressive style that made for good parody. >>




    You might be thinking of this. . . .

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,716 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    After reading the parody I can't wait to read the book. I have a copy of the first edition on order.
  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭
    It's impressive that nearly 50 percent of respondents have either
    read the book or read parts of it.


  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are many fine sections to absorb and appreciate. Additionally, there are references to commentary when coin designs were introduced. For example, here is an 1892 American Journal of Numismatics quote regarding the Barber coinage (page 86 of the second edition):

    "The general effect is pleasing: of the three the Dime is to many the most attractive piece. The head of Liberty is dignified, but although the silly story has been started that the profile is that of a "reigning belle" of New York, she can hardly be called a beauty;.....there is the fullness in the upper lip, which detracts from the expression, and a slight swelling on the back of the neck, that led one irreverent critic to remark "she is going to have a boil," and another to say "the throat is that of a gladiator"!"

    Vermeule is generally complimentary of the design ("plumpish, matronly gravitas of Liberty") that was reflective of themes exhibited at the Chicago World's Fair.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin!image
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice coin!image >>



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  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭
    A lunchtime visit to Fat Matt's Rib Shack brought this old conversation to mind.


  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've been to Fat Matts many times
  • Great book! I discovered it while digging through the numismatics section in my university library.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,789 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, but it's not the type book you read like a novel. It's more of a reference work in my opinion.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I refer to Vermeule often - one of the most important works on American numismatics.

    As for the restaurant review - someone is channeling Dennis Miller, and I can't decide if that is a compliment or not image
  • carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks so much for this thread! Does anyone know who wrote the restaurant review parody, or does the author wish to remain anonymous?



    I have printed it out to tip in to my copy.
  • BGBG Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have the 2nd edition and have read all the early commemorative sections.



    Good stuff.





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  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: carabonnair
    Thanks so much for this thread! Does anyone know who wrote the restaurant review parody, or does the author wish to remain anonymous?

    I have printed it out to tip in to my copy.



    He's a member here, and he has great respect for the late Dr. Vermeule.



  • carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is one of the first threads I read after joining here. It had just been bumped then and I think it is worthy of another now. Great book! - I ordered a used ex-library copy from an online book dealer.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have read most of it.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Had it in hand two days ago.

    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.

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