Looks like our friends from edynamicmarketing are at it again.

bolivarshagnasty · November 24, 2018 8:37PM

I counted 163 offerings from them this evening. All hideous AT silver eagles. Shame is, all were straight graded by our host. No apparent attempt to differentiate AT/NT. "Wow" is all I've got.

https://ebay.com/itm/1987-American-Silver-Eagle-Dollar-PCGS-MS-65-Multi-Color-Toned-High-Demand-Coin/273385517843?hash=item3fa70bf313:rk:39:pf:0

AUandAG · November 24, 2018 8:42PM

Many are raw and not graded. Most that are graded are by graders other than PCGS as I see it. But, I agree that this seller is the doctor on ebay. You really counted 163 by PCGS? That sucks.

bob

bolivarshagnasty · November 24, 2018 8:44PM

Bob, The 163 were all PCGS graded. Scrolled through 7 pages and counted.

claychaser · November 24, 2018 8:45PM

This one puzzles me......

AUandAG · November 24, 2018 8:47PM

That is so wrong. He's so well known for doctoring and should be banned by every TPG.

bob

mr1931S · November 24, 2018 8:57PM

Hideous is the right word.

bolivarshagnasty · November 24, 2018 8:58PM

@claychaser said:

This one puzzles me......

They are known for buying NT coins and placing them in their auctions, trying to legitimize the whole group.

Colonialcoin · November 24, 2018 9:06PM

So let’s see. Should I buy a roll of nice looking eagles or only one of these toned beauties for essentially the same price?

I can’t for the life of me understand how people actually believe that modern coins can naturally get full blown toning.

Does this seller also sell modern coins in poor-1 condition?

koynekwest · November 24, 2018 9:09PM

They've been back for a while. Worse, they have imitators-at least two.

DIMEMAN · November 24, 2018 9:12PM

Makes ya wanna PUKE !!!

YQQ · November 24, 2018 9:15PM

ever heard about paint? it comes in every color...
How is it possible to get a coin "toned" "painted " like that and... it is accepted by collectors?
I have a few "fancy" coins... but they are not "painted".

coinsarefun · November 24, 2018 9:34PM

The coin in the original post is actually natural. This was my coin years ago.
When I purchased it was white. The plastic capital holder I have toned this one and many others that I sent in raw.
Since I sold all of them I have put new un-toned ones in there and they are toning completely different,
I’ll try to get some images in the next few days.
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In hand it look spectacular. And, Liberty has a beautiful creamy look.
You can see it has fingerprints on reverse and a little on obverse.
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I cannot say anything regarding the seller or his other coins as I did not sell my coin to the guy.
Below you can see where it was in my registry.
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Trueviews.
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Screenshot of my sold inventory.
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Liberty is so very pretty looking, almost a soft creamy white

Ronyahski · November 24, 2018 10:02PM

@coinsarefun said:
The coin in the original post is actually natural. This was my coin years ago.
When I purchased it was white. The plastic capital holder I have toned this one and many others that I sent in raw.
Since I sold all of them I have put new un-toned ones in there and they are toning completely different,
I’ll try to get some images in the next few days.
.
In hand it look spectacular. And, Liberty has a beautiful creamy look.
You can see it has fingerprints on reverse and a little on obverse.
.
I cannot say anything regarding the seller or his other coins as I did not sell my coin to the guy.
Below you can see where it was in my registry.
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Trueviews.
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Screenshot of my sold inventory.
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Liberty is so very pretty looking, almost a soft creamy white

How did it tone so quickly like this in a capital holder???

Zoins · November 24, 2018 10:05PM

@coinsarefun said:
The coin in the original post is actually natural. This was my coin years ago.
When I purchased it was white. The plastic capital holder I have toned this one and many others that I sent in raw.
Since I sold all of them I have put new un-toned ones in there and they are toning completely different,
I’ll try to get some images in the next few days.
.
In hand it look spectacular. And, Liberty has a beautiful creamy look.
You can see it has fingerprints on reverse and a little on obverse.
.
I cannot say anything regarding the seller or his other coins as I did not sell my coin to the guy.
Below you can see where it was in my registry.
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.

Trueviews.
.
.

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.
Screenshot of my sold inventory.
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.
Liberty is so very pretty looking, almost a soft creamy white

Would be great to include your provenance on these

davewesen · November 24, 2018 11:03PM

I had one similar, got toned in a velvet lined plastic flip box.

Does any of edynamic's AT look attractive?

robec · November 24, 2018 11:08PM

I have them blocked so I don't have to see their carp.

bolivarshagnasty · November 25, 2018 12:05AM

Great @coinsarefun , I would have to pick out of 160 coins the ONE you used to own. LOL

I'm not sure what is going on with them though. Most of their ASE listings have the coin in the holder blacked out.

There are a few like this one that still have the image in the holder picture.

Could they also be gassing in the holder as we saw in the other thread with the rattler Morgans?
Below is an early holder that is well before this company was on ebay.

BlindedByEgo · November 25, 2018 12:16AM

@bolivarshagnasty said:
Great @coinsarefun , I would have to pick out of 160 coins the ONE you used to own. LOL

I'm not sure what is going on with them though. Most of their ASE listings have the coin in the holder blacked out.

There are a few like this one that still have the image in the holder picture.

Could they also be gassing in the holder as we saw in the other thread with the rattler Morgans?
Below is an early holder that is well before this company was on ebay.

Seems to be a breach of eBay rules of photographing the coin in the holder. Maybe just for fun, and an abundance of annoyment, I'll report every single listing that uses this trick.

TomB · November 25, 2018 12:18AM

An "easy" way to introduce AT to these is to gas in the holder and then resubmit to PCGS for a reholder with TrueView. I'm not saying this seller does this, but merely stating that one can take a non-AT coin already in a holder and introduce AT to it and then submit it back to the original TPG for reholder. In the case of PCGS, one might also ask for TrueView.

cameonut2011 · November 25, 2018 1:07AM

@TomB said:
An "easy" way to introduce AT to these is to gas in the holder and then resubmit to PCGS for a reholder with TrueView. I'm not saying this seller does this, but merely stating that one can take a non-AT coin already in a holder and introduce AT to it and then submit it back to the original TPG for reholder. In the case of PCGS, one might also ask for TrueView.

It is a bit shocking that PCGS apparently doesn't have a finalizer take a look before reholdering. It also allows you to check for coins that have deteriorated by non-nefarious means in the slab.

Namvet69 · November 25, 2018 4:21AM

This is why toning should have nothing to do with the quality of the minting strike and the die condition, the physical attributes that is the essence of any grade of wear. IMO. Peace Roy

BillJones · November 25, 2018 4:38AM

Years ago there were articles in “Coin World” about how these fraudsters can get gases into sealed holders to tone certified and mint encased coins. My guess is this guy has perfected the process. There is no way that that hideous 1963 Proof cent got into a certification holder looking like that.

coinsarefun · November 25, 2018 6:15AM

@Ronyahski said:

@coinsarefun said:

How did it tone so quickly like this in a capital holder???

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lol, .999 bullion and almost 30 years.

coinsarefun · November 25, 2018 6:19AM

@bolivarshagnasty said:
Great @coinsarefun , I would have to pick out of 160 coins the ONE you used to own. LOL

I never follow or come upon these guys on my Ebay searches, so I don’t know who they are but
I have seen several of mine out there. I guess the person who bought my collection parted it out

Zoins · November 25, 2018 7:04AM

At least this time around, TrueViews aren’t being used. Some TrueViews from the last batch when they were common are still being sold.

ricko · November 25, 2018 7:16AM

That is amazing... If Stef had not stepped in and legitimized this coin (OP), I would have thought it to be an AT coin... Cheers, RickO

ShadyDave · November 25, 2018 1:59PM

@AUandAG said:
That is so wrong. He's so well known for doctoring and should be banned by every TPG.

bob

That won't do anything except inconvenience the person. I'm sure they are already banned by PCGS and use their employees or family members to submit on their behalf.

AlexinPA · November 25, 2018 2:02PM

I don't collect modern coins but that's a shame to do that to a coin just so you can line your pockets.

Beneteau · November 25, 2018 4:39PM

@BillJones said:
Years ago there were articles in “Coin World” about how these fraudsters can get gases into sealed holders to tone certified and mint encased coins. My guess is this guy has perfected the process. There is no way that that hideous 1963 Proof cent got into a certification holder looking like that.

Yes, it made the holder exactly like that. Lots of toners fly by pcgs.

ms70 · November 25, 2018 4:51PM

Is this anything NCIC can get involved with?

Insider2 · November 26, 2018 11:43AM

@YQQ said:
ever heard about paint? it comes in every color...
How is it possible to get a coin "toned" "painted " like that and... it is accepted by collectors?
I have a few "fancy" coins... but they are not "painted".

What nonsense. The Lincoln cent is not PAINTED. Why don't you "paint" a coin for us and blow-up your theory.

Looks like our friends from edynamicmarketing are at it again.

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