Is this 1913 Lincoln cent a matte proof????

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BUFFNIXX
BUFFNIXX Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
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What say you, is this penny 1913 a matte proof????

Do you think this penny is a matte proof???

Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"

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  • BUFFNIXX
    BUFFNIXX Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    P.S. It is being offered as a matte proof right now on ebay.
    is it a matte proof or a mutt proof?

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  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am no expert but I don't like the rims (not sharp and flat enough).

  • ilikemonsters
    ilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭
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    No

  • Namvet69
    Namvet69 Posts: 9,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nuh uh! Rim is narfed on obv at top. I don't see any proof surfaces. You can do better. Peace Roy

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  • koynekwest
    koynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Those people can't tell what is OR what isn't a matte proof.

  • Martin
    Martin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No

  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It does not look like a proof to me. Look at the inner portion of the rims where they meet the fields.

  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • 1Mike1
    1Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Surprised the seller doesn't send this in to PCGS. ;)

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  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't think it is a proof.

  • BlindedByEgo
    BlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not a big fan of that seller or their representations. No Lincoln expert here, just suspicious.

    Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1

  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not problem free. I don't think it is a proof.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • deefree49
    deefree49 Posts: 282 ✭✭✭
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    Sometimes rims on the 1913 MPL weren't consistently flat all the way around but the weak spot will only be brief. This has almost 50% of the rim rounded so that looks unconvincing. Also, I'm looking for other diagnostics and can't see them although it is tough to ID them from a single image.

    Personally, I wouldn't take the risk.

    Lincoln coin lover, especially Matte Proofs
  • WaterSport
    WaterSport Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not a Proof.

    WS

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  • Wabbit2313
    Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yes a proof, and perhaps cracked from a problem holder.

  • Aotearoa
    Aotearoa Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Consider who is selling the coin!

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • thefinn
    thefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Aotearoa said:
    Consider who is selling the coin!

    Look at the name on the bottom of the pictures.

    thefinn
  • BUFFNIXX
    BUFFNIXX Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @VanHalen said:

    I think these two photos make a convincing comparison and the first one is not a proof.
    Its always great to have photos for comparison side by side. And, a picture is worth a thousand words and
    so it is here.

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Comparing the photo's, I would agree it is not a proof... though photographs cannot compare with in hand evaluation... Cheers, RickO

  • BUFFNIXX
    BUFFNIXX Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    right now with a bit over 7 hours to go there are 22 bids and it is up to $202.
    will report back when the auction is over....

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  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here is a certified piece that is in my collection. Unfortunately the NGC holder does not let you see the rims all that well. I have my doubts about the coin in the OP.


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  • Davideo
    Davideo Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭✭
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    Clearly a matte proof Lincoln will have more bidders/higher bids if authenticated/graded. As the seller is quite familiar with numismatics, there is a reason that it isn't in a holder. My limited opinion is that it is not a matte proof, but I won't completely discount a matte proof that failed to straight grade.

  • cmerlo1
    cmerlo1 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The inner rim says no.

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  • PocketArt
    PocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Great Southern Bandits....still peddling away. Amazing. If it's raw, and a Matte Proof, there is reason why it's raw, and not slabbed.

    Bandits always scratch head with outstretched paw...they play on your belief that you got the better deal.

  • bjamin
    bjamin Posts: 141 ✭✭✭
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    On top of who it is, they also are typically the only ones bidding beside possibly one unknowing sucker that they attracted.

  • 1Mike1
    1Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I guess if the buyer gets it cheap enough its ok for a hole filler.

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  • BUFFNIXX
    BUFFNIXX Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 8, 2018 4:32AM
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    The results are in....
    $320 dollars final sale price and 31 bids.
    IMO bidder 31 was the unlucky one.
    Not a matte proof and that is why it is raw.

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  • BuffaloIronTail
    BuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BillJones said:
    Here is a certified piece that is in my collection. Unfortunately the NGC holder does not let you see the rims all that well. I have my doubts about the coin in the OP.


    Hey Bill..........what are the PUPs on a 1913 MPL?

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • RogerB
    RogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nope.

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BuffaloIronTail said:

    @BillJones said:
    Here is a certified piece that is in my collection. Unfortunately the NGC holder does not let you see the rims all that well. I have my doubts about the coin in the OP.


    Hey Bill..........what are the PUPs on a 1913 MPL?

    Pete

    What's a "PUP?"

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  • BuffaloIronTail
    BuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BillJones said:

    @BuffaloIronTail said:

    @BillJones said:
    Here is a certified piece that is in my collection. Unfortunately the NGC holder does not let you see the rims all that well. I have my doubts about the coin in the OP.


    Hey Bill..........what are the PUPs on a 1913 MPL?

    Pete

    What's a "PUP?"

    Pick up Point. Sorry bout that. What are the diagnostic giveaways that show authenticity.

    That's OK, Bill..............I got my book here.

    Pete

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  • koynekwest
    koynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Betcha a shill got that one. Or someone who thinks they got a "deal."

  • sellitstore
    sellitstore Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PUP #1- The ability to see every hair in Lincoln's beard.

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  • OldIndianNutKase
    OldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A VERY nice coin, but it is a MS with a very nice strike. But not a proof. That being said I would be proud to own it.

    OINK

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