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Newp 1920 Pilgrim Commemorative

jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

Just won this Pilgrim. Really liked the sellers photos, not a usual situation. I like the reverse better but like the whole coin overall.
Jim



When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain

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    GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin looks perfect!

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    erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree, it looks nice! Let us know how it looks when it arrives! That is one that I have on my list to check off too.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've got 4 more on my list to get(just ones I like, not to complete a collection).
    jIm


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
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    abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS67 plus and worth mutliples over what you paid. A hearty congratulations are in order here.

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    rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭

    If the coin looks like the photo, it is very nice. Something seems off with the lighting.

    "You keep your 1804 dollar and 1822 half eagle -- give me rainbow roosies in MS68."
    rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rainbowroosie said:
    If the coin looks like the photo, it is very nice. Something seems off with the lighting.

    The image appears to have been enhanced or at least expertly lit. Actually, the image looks better than any Pilgrim I've ever seen! I almost want to buy the photo and frame it.

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    BGBG Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree that somethings off about the image.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow....Definitely RickO approved... where is that label?? If the coin in hand looks like that, you scored a big win....Cheers, RickO

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm worried now it may have been polished. Have to wait to see when it arrives.

    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Would you feel this was a polished coin?
    Jim



    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And on the same coin: polish marks or die marks?
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hmmmm. The coin certainly has die polish lines (inside the lettering, etc.) but the surfaces seem to be completely flat and lifeless. It may just be the photo technique, but I'm inclined to think die polish lines AND cleaning/polishing.

    The first photos are pretty, but they don't have a look consistent with natural mint luster.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2018 10:59AM

    The sellers photo shows the die lines, but not the scratches(that I feel are either cleaning scratches or polishing scratches). I don't feel this coin worthy of keeping and submitting. I realize that I am not a coin photographer and didn't use best lighting or a camera stand, but still my pics are not even close to the seller's as far as lustre? goes. Added my photos.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
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    CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not good. Next time look hard enough for a real GEM...you don't have to look hard. skip that coin you chose and buy and already graded GEM with ultra clean surface and color. This coin was well under $400 and is definitely an upgrade candidate. Its a MS 67, IMO. Got it right on the BST board. JUST DO YOUR RESEARCH and BUY GRADED COINS FROM PEOPLE YOU KNOW. I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE.

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I find your Pilgrim over the top beautiful. You don’t need to buy graded coins if you know what you’re doing and you do, Jim.
    Grade score my man

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    The sellers photo shows the die lines, but not the scratches(that I feel are either cleaning scratches or polishing scratches). I don't feel this coin worthy of keeping and submitting. I realize that I am not a coin photographer and didn't use best lighting or a camera stand, but still my pics are not even close to the seller's as far as lustre? goes. Added my photos.
    Jim

    These pilgrims are very well known for heavy die polishing lines. I have a gorgeous one that loaded with die polishing lines. So that would be my guess.

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One more post and I'll leave this alone. Thanks for your comments. I took these pics with natural light only and the lustre shows much better.
    Jim



    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2018 12:01PM

    Images of coins are always better when they are taken out of a stapled flip. I personally hate those damn stapled flips. Sooooo many coins have been destroyed by these stapled flips and I wish like hell good folks would quit using them.
    If you don’t live and learn, you’re doomed. Wasaaaaay to many scratches on coins due to these stapled flips.
    Okay done with my rant.
    I think you did really good on that piece from what I can see, Jim

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,817 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The OP picture looks to be over exposed to me, which can hide a lot. Here are two takes on this commemorative, one white, the other one toned. The toned one is graded MS-64. I believe that the white one was graded MS-63, although I'm not sure because I no longer own it.


    The toned one.


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    ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2018 1:40PM

    One of my favorite coins. Quite a while ago I purchased a Long Island commem off of eBay, photos looked great, very few marks, great detail etc. I was excited but when I got it the coin was lifeless and not at all what I expected. It was not a lot of money and I still have it as a lesson. Of course I found out afterwards that the seller was well known for the photos, not so much for the quality of the coins behind the photos.

    Just curious...does your coin have the same marks as the one in the sellers photos above the R in Pilgrim? Hard to tell in your shots..

    K

    ANA LM
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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ElKevvo Just curious...does your coin have the same marks as the one in the sellers photos above the R in Pilgrim? Hard to tell in your shots..

    Yes, GRIM has many die lines as does most of the coin's outer rims in about 1/4" or so. My photos do not seem to pick up the lower left as does the seller's.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain

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