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Has anyone seen one of these before? (1885 $10 cancelled die splasher)
zas107
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I don't even recall where I purchased these, but was cleaning out the safety deposit box and stumbled across these. Was never able to find anything out about these. Does anyone know anything about these?
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I don't have an answer for you, but I like it, pretty neat !!!
Fascinating!
I'll go out on a limb and say that I'm only 99.9% counterfeit as it is IMHO not close to "MQ" (very old and long-forgotten shorthand for "Mint Quality") and I don't care whose collection it came out of either.
You should not call yourself 99.9% counterfeit.......
You're right, I'm 99.9% sure the piece is 100% counterfeit. Some say that indicates a "No Decision."
PS Tell us more about the move to Colorado. What others did you train? How long did Hunter stick around? One day I may post some things that happened in the "Closed" Board meeting in NY, why the ANACS was moved, and the "Mysterious Breakin" scenario devised to discredit a former employee. All left out of the ANA's Centennial History.
Can a coin be less than 100% counterfeit?
Looks like somebody used X-cancelled dies to make their own coins. Used dies are now ground down.
Are they not Russ Logan restrikes?
http://uspatterns.com/18leadtrialf.html
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Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
It's an inside code devised by me and approved by Hoskins. I still use it today to pass my opinion to the finalizer on the grading screen. This only applies to experienced authenticators as one man's 100% genuine is an authenticators 100% counterfeit.
Take any coin...then assign a number in my scale:
10, 9, 8 indicates those that are 100% genuine and "self-authenticating" the minute you see them. We don't use #'s for these. For those obvious, and crude "across-the-room:" fakes, 1, and 2 are also #'s that apply but are never used.
That leaves 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. A "5" is the number given to a coin whose authenticity cannot be determined often after weeks of research, consultant opinions and even a museum visit (Dunbarton Oaks & Smithsonian in DC, ANS in NYC). That was one of the main reasons ANACS was located in DC! IMO, the move to CO was stupid. As for the rest:
The #4: Possibly C/F
The #3: Probably C/F
The #6: Possibly OK
The #7: Probably OK
Still, whether an "expert" can determine or not if a coin is genuine or counterfeit, or even if they're wrong, the coin itself is still either 100% genuine or 100% counterfeit.
@MWallace said: "Still, whether an "expert" can determine or not if a coin is genuine or counterfeit, or even if they're wrong, the coin itself is still either 100% genuine or 100% counterfeit."
That's correct and it is also "UNSLABBED!" LOL.
I think real, but not MInt strikes.
Oops, I see you've already found it. Even the cancel appears to match the image.
@MrEureka - was that your write-up uspatterns.com on these pieces? The cancellations certainly seem to match, just curious if you were the one to see them in-hand what your thoughts were.
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Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Very interesting pieces... real or not, they certainly provoke discussion... Cheers, RickO
I owned these on several different planchet sizes and composition. A total of 15 pcs. Go to uspatterns and search cancelled die strikes, and one of the pictures show one I had on a silver dollar planchet. Russ Logan struck a half dozen. I bought the 15 pcs from the late Henry Hilgard. He struck a batch and I sold them.
They are! Thank you so much! Because of your help I was able to figure out that I purchased them from JKcoins in 2009.
Great info on these. Thanks for the attribution to Russ Logan and Henry Hilgard.
I'm fascinated by these and think it would be great to document their origins more.
Here's a link to the USPatterns.com page:
http://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/candiestrik.html
Late bump but does anyone happen to have an idea of value on these? I saw a brass one on ebay that was bid up to over 900 recently, but for some reason the listing got nuked.
So did Russ strike 6 and Henry strike 15?
The one attributed to you on USPatterns.com is a silver half dollar planchet: "The illustrated examples are in silver, struck on a half dollar planchet, with both sides shown below [...] The silver piece is courtesy of Michael Byers". Did you also have a dollar planchet piece?
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/18leadtrialf.html
Would that be Jeremy Katz of JK Coin Photography?
https://www.jkcoinphotography.com/
Since there are so few of these, it would be great to document the history of each of these pieces.