Please find a photo of the 1958 Doubled Die,
and compare it to your coin.
(there's one in the CPG)
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Yes I did😊 They seem to be very similar in comparison. The lettering "IN GOD WE TRUST " look identical. Especially the "D" and " U". But the faces seem to differ
Everything must match EXACTLY, not
just a few of the letters (which are not
'very similar', imo)
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Well, then I would say the lettering looks exactly the same! What differs are the faces😊 that's the part I'm not understanding fully. Ill take a closer, sharper photo and have it posted soon
@Dadiisuez said:
Yes I did😊 They seem to be very similar in comparison. The lettering "IN GOD WE TRUST " look identical. Especially the "D" and " U". But the faces seem to differ
We must have differing ideas of what Identical means. It must look exactly like the DDO reference. Note the huge amount of spread on the letters on the left half. There are not variable spreads of the same doubled die, they were all produced from one die and will all look exactly the same. Similar does not cut the cheese with doubled dies, it is or it is not.
It is, however, a decent looking 1958 cent.
Your coin is not the same as what @KollectorKing posted. At least from the photo you posted, it is not a match. The spread on Liberty would be more exaggerated and tall, furthermore, the I of IN with be very wide and catch light in your photo.
What you may be seeing is die erosion or the “Longacre” effect.
...im looking under a scope right now and all the letters match up guys. Literally all letting match up. Ill take your word for it though. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I would have sworn this was the real deal
Take pics through your scope do you have a iPhone or smartphone ? > @Dadiisuez said:
...im looking under a scope right now and all the letters match up guys. Literally all letting match up. Ill take your word for it though. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I would have sworn this was the real deal
I can see from the kinda far-away first
posted photos of the OP's coin that it
doesn't come close to matching up
with the photo posted of the genuine piece.
I cannot understand at all how the OP,
using a 'scope, can make the statements
that have been made.
"Observable Reality" is what's needed here.
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@afford said:
Because he is screwing with the members here Fred, we keep getting these trolls wasting everyone's time. The should be ignored.
Whether this original poster is or not, there has been an absurd amount of noticeable trolling lately. I have liked or agreed with a lot of you respected members in this and other threads.
People should be doing a lot more research before posting bad photos asking advice.
I only look in occasionally because I was once a roll searcher hoping to score big, before I realized my time was better spent doing other things
You might be right - but I don't keep TOT (track of trolls),
so I just see a post, and try to answer it, even if it takes a few
times to (hopefully) get thru to the poster.
.....you wouldn't believe the emails and phone calls I get,
every single day.....this is fairly easy!
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Look closely at the letters. Do they look EXACTLY the same on each coin? They must be precisely the same to have come from the same die.
The ability to detect such differences is a pretty important skill for coin collectors, particularly those who hope to be good at cherry picking or roll searching.
I don't mean to offend...I say this in earnest: If you cannot detect differences you should probably move on to another aspect of this hobby or another hobby altogether.
Lance.
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@afford said:
Fred,
you were nice enough to help me holder 2 error coins thru PCGS and get them to put the correct error descriptions on the label, I guess you gave your expertise on them for them. I met you at a show in Anaheim a couple of years back. One was an 1819 25C elliptical planchet and the other an 1870 25c Pattern incomplete punch or something like that, here they are:
Any ways you told me both are unique, I am now thinking of parting with them, do you have any suggestions,
thanks
For those two pieces, I would strongly
suggest an Heritage Auction - their FUN
sale would be a good venue, imo.
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When you see a rare coin like the OP's, just recommend the correct procedure: GET IT GRADED BY OUR HOST.
Pay for a professional opinion. Simple as that. Why waste your time with this?
bob
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While the coin in the OP is of minimal value, I think it’s cool that he - along with Legend’s 130K 1958 half - got me to think that a million dollar 1958 mint set may be possible in the not-so-distant future.
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Dear Dadiisuez; Last time I checked, "Cutting the mustard," is much different than " Cutting the cheese. " I will be gentle. The former is a metaphor implying a lack of being unable to get the job done. The latter is a metaphor referring to a gasseous explosion which exits from the posterior region of a human or likewise any creature, dead or alive. In layman's terminology, a fart. I hope this helps. You. With regards to your question about ddo? I don't know.
@CoinPhysicist said:
Either OP is a troll or OP is blind.
There is no either or involved here. It is what it is.
P.S. Today is my mother's birthday. Born in Wellington,Kansas 1930. Kansas farm girl. California ranch mom. Never had much but never complained. Kept us fed, clothed, and feeling loved. What more is there? Life is a gift but it's too short. Oh well.
is the same on most coin sites. 10s of 20s of posts daily of people going through pocket change and saying it is DDO/DDR. sometimes 4 posts a day from the same person. no matter what help you try to give they refuse to hear or believe anything that doesn't make them right or rich.
I believe we must have some patience with new collectors. That being said, when members (including the recognized experts) make a determination on a coin, then there should not be an argument. Cheers, RickO
By the way isn't it impossible to actually cherry the 1958 DDO? The story Ira Stein tells is that the only known examples came from the same Philadelphia resident who claimed to find them in a Mint sewn bag in the 60s but who is suspected of being connected to the U.S. Mint. If that anecdote is true, there are no 58 DDO's in the wild.
Although there is no proof, I strongly feel
that the coin is probably unique, and was
taken out of the Phily Mint by that 'connected'
person, or his 'connection'.
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Please find a photo of the 1958 Doubled Die,
and compare it to your coin.
(there's one in the CPG)
I did look at several photo's regarding the coin, and as far as I can see, it is a ddo. I'm hoping for a verification or otherwise
.....you did ? ? ?
Yes I did😊 They seem to be very similar in comparison. The lettering "IN GOD WE TRUST " look identical. Especially the "D" and " U". But the faces seem to differ
'Very Similar' doesn't cut the mustard.
Everything must match EXACTLY, not
just a few of the letters (which are not
'very similar', imo)
I think we would like to see sharper and closer images of this coin. Take your time. Peace Roy
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Well, then I would say the lettering looks exactly the same! What differs are the faces😊 that's the part I'm not understanding fully. Ill take a closer, sharper photo and have it posted soon
We must have differing ideas of what Identical means. It must look exactly like the DDO reference. Note the huge amount of spread on the letters on the left half. There are not variable spreads of the same doubled die, they were all produced from one die and will all look exactly the same. Similar does not cut the cheese with doubled dies, it is or it is not.
It is, however, a decent looking 1958 cent.
Collector, occasional seller
No, you're excited for nothing
Keep Hunting and welcome to the boards
Steve
Your coin is not the same as what @KollectorKing posted. At least from the photo you posted, it is not a match. The spread on Liberty would be more exaggerated and tall, furthermore, the I of IN with be very wide and catch light in your photo.
What you may be seeing is die erosion or the “Longacre” effect.
Keep hunting.
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
...im looking under a scope right now and all the letters match up guys. Literally all letting match up. Ill take your word for it though. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I would have sworn this was the real deal
Take pics through your scope do you have a iPhone or smartphone ? > @Dadiisuez said:
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
I have a crappy Samsung galaxy 7. I'm going to go to an establishment that will help me get a better photo to share
"Literally all lett(er)ing match up"
I can see from the kinda far-away first
posted photos of the OP's coin that it
doesn't come close to matching up
with the photo posted of the genuine piece.
I cannot understand at all how the OP,
using a 'scope, can make the statements
that have been made.
"Observable Reality" is what's needed here.
You're a very nice person, Mr. Weinberg.
Whether this original poster is or not, there has been an absurd amount of noticeable trolling lately. I have liked or agreed with a lot of you respected members in this and other threads.
People should be doing a lot more research before posting bad photos asking advice.
I only look in occasionally because I was once a roll searcher hoping to score big, before I realized my time was better spent doing other things
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
You might be right - but I don't keep TOT (track of trolls),
so I just see a post, and try to answer it, even if it takes a few
times to (hopefully) get thru to the poster.
.....you wouldn't believe the emails and phone calls I get,
every single day.....this is fairly easy!
Look closely at the letters. Do they look EXACTLY the same on each coin? They must be precisely the same to have come from the same die.
The ability to detect such differences is a pretty important skill for coin collectors, particularly those who hope to be good at cherry picking or roll searching.
I don't mean to offend...I say this in earnest: If you cannot detect differences you should probably move on to another aspect of this hobby or another hobby altogether.
Lance.
It is most likely one person...with a ton of "burner" accounts and way too much free time.
More On, Less On, Right On !
Let's face it, the 1958 DDO is so dramatic that if you have to ask if your cent is a '58 DDO, it isn't.
Awesome coins Afford!
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
For those two pieces, I would strongly
suggest an Heritage Auction - their FUN
sale would be a good venue, imo.
@afford I'm guessing asking TDN about a possible auction venue is not on your short list of things to do?
When you see a rare coin like the OP's, just recommend the correct procedure: GET IT GRADED BY OUR HOST.
Pay for a professional opinion. Simple as that. Why waste your time with this?
bob
Good luck
Best place to buy !
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If you had this doubled die you wouldn't need a scope to see it.
Like a few posters above, I think we're being spoofed-too much of this stuff lately.
While the coin in the OP is of minimal value, I think it’s cool that he - along with Legend’s 130K 1958 half - got me to think that a million dollar 1958 mint set may be possible in the not-so-distant future.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Dear Dadiisuez; Last time I checked, "Cutting the mustard," is much different than " Cutting the cheese. " I will be gentle. The former is a metaphor implying a lack of being unable to get the job done. The latter is a metaphor referring to a gasseous explosion which exits from the posterior region of a human or likewise any creature, dead or alive. In layman's terminology, a fart. I hope this helps. You. With regards to your question about ddo? I don't know.
Don't ask for opinions that you don't want
Either OP is a troll or OP is blind.
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Re the OP coin:
Definitely not a 1958 DDO cent.
There is no either or involved here. It is what it is.
P.S. Today is my mother's birthday. Born in Wellington,Kansas 1930. Kansas farm girl. California ranch mom. Never had much but never complained. Kept us fed, clothed, and feeling loved. What more is there? Life is a gift but it's too short. Oh well.
Too much troll feeding going on here. OP is laughing
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is the same on most coin sites. 10s of 20s of posts daily of people going through pocket change and saying it is DDO/DDR. sometimes 4 posts a day from the same person. no matter what help you try to give they refuse to hear or believe anything that doesn't make them right or rich.
I believe we must have some patience with new collectors. That being said, when members (including the recognized experts) make a determination on a coin, then there should not be an argument. Cheers, RickO
This has to be the post of the month!
OMG. We REALLY need to produce this book!
By the way isn't it impossible to actually cherry the 1958 DDO? The story Ira Stein tells is that the only known examples came from the same Philadelphia resident who claimed to find them in a Mint sewn bag in the 60s but who is suspected of being connected to the U.S. Mint. If that anecdote is true, there are no 58 DDO's in the wild.
Although there is no proof, I strongly feel
that the coin is probably unique, and was
taken out of the Phily Mint by that 'connected'
person, or his 'connection'.