BEAUTIFUL and striking! Is this the rare 1958 ddo?

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Dadiisuez
Dadiisuez Posts: 14 ✭
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Is this a double die? Or....am I excited for nothing?

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  • Dadiisuez
    Dadiisuez Posts: 14 ✭
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    I did look at several photo's regarding the coin, and as far as I can see, it is a ddo. I'm hoping for a verification or otherwise

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    :s

  • Dadiisuez
    Dadiisuez Posts: 14 ✭
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    Yes I did😊 They seem to be very similar in comparison. The lettering "IN GOD WE TRUST " look identical. Especially the "D" and " U". But the faces seem to differ

  • Namvet69
    Namvet69 Posts: 9,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think we would like to see sharper and closer images of this coin. Take your time. Peace Roy

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  • Dadiisuez
    Dadiisuez Posts: 14 ✭
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    Well, then I would say the lettering looks exactly the same! What differs are the faces😊 that's the part I'm not understanding fully. Ill take a closer, sharper photo and have it posted soon

  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Dadiisuez said:
    Yes I did😊 They seem to be very similar in comparison. The lettering "IN GOD WE TRUST " look identical. Especially the "D" and " U". But the faces seem to differ

    We must have differing ideas of what Identical means. It must look exactly like the DDO reference. Note the huge amount of spread on the letters on the left half. There are not variable spreads of the same doubled die, they were all produced from one die and will all look exactly the same. Similar does not cut the cheese with doubled dies, it is or it is not.
    It is, however, a decent looking 1958 cent.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • OldEastside
    OldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No, you're excited for nothing

    Keep Hunting and welcome to the boards

    Steve

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  • Aspie_Rocco
    Aspie_Rocco Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2018 11:15AM
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    Your coin is not the same as what @KollectorKing posted. At least from the photo you posted, it is not a match. The spread on Liberty would be more exaggerated and tall, furthermore, the I of IN with be very wide and catch light in your photo.
    What you may be seeing is die erosion or the “Longacre” effect.

    Keep hunting.

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  • Dadiisuez
    Dadiisuez Posts: 14 ✭
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    ...im looking under a scope right now and all the letters match up guys. Literally all letting match up. Ill take your word for it though. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I would have sworn this was the real deal

  • Aspie_Rocco
    Aspie_Rocco Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2018 11:45AM
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    Take pics through your scope do you have a iPhone or smartphone ? > @Dadiisuez said:

    ...im looking under a scope right now and all the letters match up guys. Literally all letting match up. Ill take your word for it though. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I would have sworn this was the real deal

    https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/

  • Dadiisuez
    Dadiisuez Posts: 14 ✭
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    I have a crappy Samsung galaxy 7. I'm going to go to an establishment that will help me get a better photo to share

  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "Literally all lett(er)ing match up"

    I can see from the kinda far-away first
    posted photos of the OP's coin that it
    doesn't come close to matching up
    with the photo posted of the genuine piece.

    I cannot understand at all how the OP,
    using a 'scope, can make the statements
    that have been made.

    "Observable Reality" is what's needed here.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • BillDugan1959
    BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You're a very nice person, Mr. Weinberg.

  • Aspie_Rocco
    Aspie_Rocco Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @afford said:
    Because he is screwing with the members here Fred, we keep getting these trolls wasting everyone's time. The should be ignored.

    Whether this original poster is or not, there has been an absurd amount of noticeable trolling lately. I have liked or agreed with a lot of you respected members in this and other threads.
    People should be doing a lot more research before posting bad photos asking advice.
    I only look in occasionally because I was once a roll searcher hoping to score big, before I realized my time was better spent doing other things

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  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You might be right - but I don't keep TOT (track of trolls),
    so I just see a post, and try to answer it, even if it takes a few
    times to (hopefully) get thru to the poster.

    .....you wouldn't believe the emails and phone calls I get,
    every single day.....this is fairly easy!

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • ShadyDave
    ShadyDave Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @afford said:
    Because he is screwing with the members here Fred, we keep getting these trolls wasting everyone's time. The should be ignored.

    It is most likely one person...with a ton of "burner" accounts and way too much free time.

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  • Aspie_Rocco
    Aspie_Rocco Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @afford said:
    Fred,
    you were nice enough to help me holder 2 error coins thru PCGS and get them to put the correct error descriptions on the label, I guess you gave your expertise on them for them. I met you at a show in Anaheim a couple of years back. One was an 1819 25C elliptical planchet and the other an 1870 25c Pattern incomplete punch or something like that, here they are:


    Any ways you told me both are unique, I am now thinking of parting with them, do you have any suggestions,
    thanks

    Awesome coins Afford!

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  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    For those two pieces, I would strongly
    suggest an Heritage Auction - their FUN
    sale would be a good venue, imo.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
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  • Mark
    Mark Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @afford I'm guessing asking TDN about a possible auction venue is not on your short list of things to do? :)

    Mark


  • AUandAG
    AUandAG Posts: 25,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    When you see a rare coin like the OP's, just recommend the correct procedure: GET IT GRADED BY OUR HOST.
    Pay for a professional opinion. Simple as that. Why waste your time with this?

    bob :)

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  • Kkathyl
    Kkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Good luck

    Best place to buy !
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  • koynekwest
    koynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If you had this doubled die you wouldn't need a scope to see it.
    Like a few posters above, I think we're being spoofed-too much of this stuff lately.

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  • MrEureka
    MrEureka Posts: 24,778 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    While the coin in the OP is of minimal value, I think it’s cool that he - along with Legend’s 130K 1958 half - got me to think that a million dollar 1958 mint set may be possible in the not-so-distant future.

    Andy Lustig

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  • Hydrant
    Hydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2018 8:41PM
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    Dear Dadiisuez; Last time I checked, "Cutting the mustard," is much different than " Cutting the cheese. " I will be gentle. The former is a metaphor implying a lack of being unable to get the job done. The latter is a metaphor referring to a gasseous explosion which exits from the posterior region of a human or likewise any creature, dead or alive. In layman's terminology, a fart. I hope this helps. You. With regards to your question about ddo? I don't know.

  • Owen1793
    Owen1793 Posts: 368 ✭✭✭✭
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    Don't ask for opinions that you don't want

  • CoinPhysicist
    CoinPhysicist Posts: 638 ✭✭✭✭
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    Either OP is a troll or OP is blind.

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  • oreville
    oreville Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Re the OP coin:
    Definitely not a 1958 DDO cent.

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  • Hydrant
    Hydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Either OP is a troll or OP is blind.

    There is no either or involved here. It is what it is.

    P.S. Today is my mother's birthday. Born in Wellington,Kansas 1930. Kansas farm girl. California ranch mom. Never had much but never complained. Kept us fed, clothed, and feeling loved. What more is there? Life is a gift but it's too short. Oh well.

  • BlindedByEgo
    BlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Too much troll feeding going on here. OP is laughing :D

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I believe we must have some patience with new collectors. That being said, when members (including the recognized experts) make a determination on a coin, then there should not be an argument. Cheers, RickO

  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OKCC said:

    This has to be the post of the month! :)

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2018 11:53AM
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    @OKCC said:

    OMG. We REALLY need to produce this book!

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    By the way isn't it impossible to actually cherry the 1958 DDO? The story Ira Stein tells is that the only known examples came from the same Philadelphia resident who claimed to find them in a Mint sewn bag in the 60s but who is suspected of being connected to the U.S. Mint. If that anecdote is true, there are no 58 DDO's in the wild.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Although there is no proof, I strongly feel
    that the coin is probably unique, and was
    taken out of the Phily Mint by that 'connected'
    person, or his 'connection'.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.

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