Bust 10c--is this one "Unc." now?
logger7
Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭✭✭
Here is a Bust 10c in an old PCGS rattler, would this upgrade now?
6
logger7
Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭✭✭
Comments
I think so.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
I think its correctly graded.
Yes
Probably 62. But I would rather send it to CAC and see if you can get a Gold bean.
Worth the chance. Crack out first
Isn't it more valuable in the older style slab?
I think they got it right, but if they do excuse the tiny tiny bit of wear it is clean enough to do very well as a MS coin. Worth a shot, a lot worse have gone MS. I like the sticker idea as well, I hate to see a rattler go away.
Could be a slider.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
It's an AU58, why the heck would the grade be any higher?
I’ll go w/the cac crowd. That way you keep the rattler slab intact.
It is graded correctly to me. Just because it is in a rattler does not mean it is undergraded. If it was mine I would get it reholdered and attributed by JR #. And I don'r need a sticker.
Likely a 62 today.
But the 58 rattler might still be the way to go.
It looks properly graded to me.... but who knows what the tpgs will do on any given day.
If you really believe in the coin; I would send it to CAC and preserve the rattler.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Leave it in that holder and send it to CAC !!!
50/50 on that one... there's only one way to find out!
Nice coin. Imo, it was also uncirculated 'then'. However, I agree with the posters who would eave it alone, and first get an opinion from CAC.
Going by today’s standards and the standards that have been in place for MS-62, for a long time, the answer is yes. The reverse is Choice Mint State, but when I blow up the second photo of the obverse, I see a light rub. The old holder grade is correct, but one would be hard pressed to find an AU-58 graded Bust Dime that looks like that piece.
Giving that piece an MS-62 is market grading, but given the usual quality for the AU-58 grade, it is a reflection of the value.
Unless you are selling the coin, why bother? It is a nice coin, the grade looks appropriate. If considering a sale, then the CAC option would be my recommendation. Cheers, RickO
Don't crack it out, it may not straight grade. Both TPG's are very conservative as of late.
I have several Bust dimes in OGH that are CAC'd. I love them that way. I feel that a CBD in 58 that resides in an OGH that is CAC'd is worth more than a coin that resides in recent holder that is not CAC'd.
I'm with the leave as is crowd. Although not optimally photographed, the obverse appears to show friction and marking and minor rub & contact at jaw line.
Well, just Love coins, period.
Get the bean. IMO, with very, very, many vintage coins, the reverse is "Unc enough" while the obverse has the amount of easily seen rub that keeps it from grading MS. This applies less to gold coins which are given more leeway. At the rate we are going, eventually, it will be in an MS slab.
I can't see any reason why that coin would not get a straight grade.
I’m also in the leave it camp. CAC if you wish.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
The question, "Did this coin become Uncirculated" due to gradeflation, (while theoretically interesting, id say No) isn't as relevant as the question, does it Net 59 or 60 or 61 now (id say Yes)
Edit, perfect case for dropping confusing, illogical and impractical "MS" and "Uncirculated" terms from old rare coin grading made in next post..
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
I disagree with this, but want to explain why rather than just give you a disagree. This coin should NEVER get a MS grade. It has seen lite circulation that is evidenced on the obverse. As nice as it is......MS means Mint State! To ever give this a MS grade would be a slap in the face to the hobby.
JMHO
Totally agree with you. Uncirculated means uncirculated. That said, it is a terrific looking coin and is much more eye appealing as than many low end unc’s and should be “valued” higher.
I thank you for your restraint. News flash: Forget the slap on the face, WE have been getting seriously punched in the nose and mouth till our teeth are on the floor and there is blood all over our broken nose and jaw!
Now, while I AGREE WITH YOU, and the others, FOR at least TWO DECADES, AU coins have been graded MS. It is not just a few either. Like it or not, THAT'S THE FACT Jacks and Jills. BTW, so have some extremely rare or practically unique XF's!
Coin grading is a subjective ART! I have taught several hundreds of folks the precise, conservative "technical grading" of the 1970's when "no trace of wear" was the standard (also not followed by most back then). Then they learn what to look for on an MS coin. Any "subjectivity" such as the amount of rub, the strength of strike, and eye appeal is virtually eliminated. After a class, I'll bet most of them don't know how to put a value on most of the coins we grade that are not full mint state something. That's because I don't teach coin pricing 101.
The technical grading I teach as the introduction is DEAD outside of a class where it is taught. It is important to students because you need to know each characteristic you see on a coin before you can assign a grade.
Whether we admit it or not, "subjectivity" in grading can be caused by both IGNORANCE or exceptional KNOWLEDGE. It takes knowledge to be a "true" commercial grader. The list of these folks is long and they are undeniably at the top of their profession. This includes those who are virtually unknown collectors/dealers who have the knowledge of the well known famous "players."
While I agree that the lack of consistent standards and the direction of grading is hard to swallow, I suggest we stop whining and get accustomed to it as WE ain't going to change nothing. The new generation, fresh out of ANA classes is already learning to grade at the TPGS's.
In the end, each of us determines the grade that fits our personal standards. The closer our standards are to the norm, the less we'll feel abused. I sleep very well at night knowing that my personal standards are far more strict than any of the three TPGS's I've worked for after 1990.
It's an AU62. The coin is accurately graded..
Tone it and you'll have a shot.
@Insider2 …..I agree we are not going to change anything here. My biggest concern is the fact of MS or not. I can see the gradeflation between circ coins grade and also between unc grades...…...but not between MS and not MS.
I'm not whining….just concerned.
We're all Very concerned whether the dime has been spent exactly Zero times, or if the dime has been spent one or a few ot a lot of times.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Concerned? Perhaps uninformed is a better description and you are not alone. The AU/BU line has been a point of discussion for decades. I believe Jim Jhonson's article in the Numismatist long ago was my introduction until I started reading about the history of coin grading. Bill Fivaz, myself, and others have covered this in several publications, classes, and lectures.
How long have you been collecting? This merger was going on in the 1970's! Coins were called sliders. Ever hear/read the words "Cabinet Friction?" Do you own a copy of Grading Coins by Photographs? If not, you may wish to borrow a copy from the ANA Library (if you are a member) and read the introduction where for the first (AFAIK) time a major dealer comes out IN PRINT and confesses to what had been going on for years!
AU's are now beiong graded as MS! Very old news to those of us who tried to stop this nonsense without any luck.
Not me. I don't care how the friction got on the coin. If it is there, "technically" the coin is no longer Mint State. What it should grade and how much it is worth is an entirely different discussion.
PS Unless you know the different causes of original mint luster loss on a coin's surface (some tolerated as the coin is still MS) you may just want to "lurk" as I'm grouchy tonight and I'm in no mood to explain what looks like a huge contradiction in my post. Thanks in advance.
Reconsideration would be my preferred route...
I would leave it in the old slab and send it for a sticker. I'll bet it gets a sticker either way.
My YouTube Channel