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tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 2, 2018 1:54PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Finally got images done for my ANA newp. 1839 original striking. Note that the actual orientation is medal turn, eagle level

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a very tough coin. The only examples I almost purchased were restrikes that had been dipped white and were NGC graded. I have given up on a getting an example of this type.

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    bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    TDN, if you desire, Phil and team will orient the reverse however you would like. Just send them an email with your cert # and explain what you want.
    Beautiful coin.

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    gonzergonzer Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sublime

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bodacious coin. Congrats on that one.

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lovely coin!

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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,233 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wonderful.
    Awesome.

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    BGBG Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A true beauty!!

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    TomBTomB Posts: 22,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow!

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,868 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very Nice!

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    cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So beautiful!

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    tyler267tyler267 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin!

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    SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Exquisite.

    Again, congrats.

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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, stunning, congratulations !!! :)

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    sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Breathtaking.
    I don't recall seeing this at the ANA but would have liked to.
    Regardless, congratulations.

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    Whatever that funky spot on the front is, it's distracting. Looks environmental or uneven toning on the area of the coin that was cleaned/spot removed sometime in the past. There is something going on under there. CAC didn't like it either.

    Coin is newly graded/regraded. What was it before? https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36068656

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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ooooooooo...me likey!

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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stunning

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great coin and design.

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    jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely beautiful!!

    TDN, here is the eagle level if you prefer. It's odd that all of the TV's show "ONE DOLLAR" leveled rather than the eagle with the exception of the PR45 example. I wonder if the photo department preferred the text oriented with the denomination level over the true alignment?

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    SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sweet looking coin!

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2018 6:23PM

    @jtlee321 said:
    Absolutely beautiful!!

    TDN, here is the eagle level if you prefer. It's odd that all of the TV's show "ONE DOLLAR" leveled rather than the eagle with the exception of the PR45 example. I wonder if the photo department preferred the text oriented with the denomination level over the true alignment?

    My impression is that Christian intended the text to be level. It seems odd to design the reverse so the text isn’t level.

    Agree it’s a great coin!

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    jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @jtlee321 said:
    Absolutely beautiful!!

    TDN, here is the eagle level if you prefer. It's odd that all of the TV's show "ONE DOLLAR" leveled rather than the eagle with the exception of the PR45 example. I wonder if the photo department preferred the text oriented with the denomination level over the true alignment?

    My impression is that Christian intended the text to be level. It seems odd to design the reverse so the text isn’t level.

    Agree it’s a great coin!

    That's what I was wondering, maybe prior to striking one of the dies was rotated causing the alignment @tradedollarnut mentioned in the OP?

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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1836 design was eagle flying upward. 1839 originals have the eagle flying level

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin - have thought it would be fun to do a 1839 pattern set and that would fit the bill nicely!

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,434 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's wonderful!

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    RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2018 7:34PM

    It's so hard to find these undipped/uncleaned. Congratulations!


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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    <3 Simply Exquisite ...... she is beyond beautiful. Congratulation for having her in your possession.

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    AuroraBorealisAuroraBorealis Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful!

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2018 9:33PM

    Just saw that it was regraded.

    PCGS is pretty consistent, PR64 before and after.

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    YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Amazing.
    Most of us can only dream about owning such a nice piece.

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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Beautiful coin - have thought it would be fun to do a 1839 pattern set and that would fit the bill nicely!

    Except it’s not a pattern...

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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just an amazing example of rarity and eye appeal, all rolled into one. Congrats!

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Superb!

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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:
    The 1836 design was eagle flying upward. 1839 originals have the eagle flying level

    With the eagle level, then the words "One Dollar" do not look right. Interesting that the mint re-oriented to make the eagle level.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin... Thanks for showing us... Cheers, RickO

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    RittenhouseRittenhouse Posts: 677 ✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Finally got images done for my ANA newp. 1839 original striking. Note that the actual orientation is medal turn, eagle level

    I'd have to look at it on my big 4K monitor at home to be sure, but that certainly looks like a DTS State B Original.

    For those questioning the alignment, the Starless Reverse is designed such that the denom is centered at the bottom and level. However, when these were struck, the only die cup available was the one left over from the problematic 1836 striking during which the feed fingers were hitting and nicking the reverse die. Almost all J60's show nicking about the reverse rim. The reverse die was rotated several times in an effort to discover the cause of the misfeeding, including making a new die cup that held the die such that the eagle was level. This II/IV die cup was retained and used in 1838 and 1839.

    There is some question as to the authorization for the 1839 striking as there is no letter accepting the new Nameless obv and Starless rev designs. Likewise, there is no letter directing the striking of dollars in 1839 and, furthermore, letters do show that the 1840 Seated design was being prepared and approved. Combine that with the 1839 striking of 300 in the last weeks of December and it would seem that Robert Maskell Patterson was a bit miffed at the design he and others worked so hard on being replaced and took it upon himself to have the 300 struck and released to circulation.

    Those interested can find our articles on the Gobrecht dollars at http://uspatterns.com/gobdol.html

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AhrensdadAhrensdad Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭

    Really nice coin!

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,054 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wowsers! What a beauty in deed!

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    SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Exquisite.

    Again, congrats.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,383 ✭✭✭✭✭

    thats totally awesome, i like

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    ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful...

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2018 5:02PM

    stunner, wow I love it too!

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2018 12:31PM

    We agree. Prima faciae evidence of the brilliance of your purchase. ;)

    Very hard mirrors for a survivor of that date B) They amplify the intensity of the color progression; prettier than any seen in recent memory. :)

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    GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @afford said:
    How does one definitively differentiate an original from a restrike?

    Easy---its right there on the label!! Haha sorry, I couldn't help myself. Its a good question.

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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rittenhouse said:

    Those interested can find our articles on the Gobrecht dollars at http://uspatterns.com/gobdol.html

    The answers are at the link above

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