Lookie what I can get for 5 grand - good, bad deal?
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So did you do it? Nice pull the trigger.
Hoard the keys.
if the "CC" on those 2x2s really means Carson City and not Chinese Crap, and the dates are correct, and not whizzed, it's a great deal
yes, of course, buy them and tell us what happens!
edited to add - it's Chinese Crap
The Morgans are fake.
They look bad, what little I can tell from the pictures.
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Oh my, I hope their real !!!
They are either fake, stolen or owned by someone you are robbing.
The second row 89CC looks fake, unless that is the rare boxer's nose variety. But hard to tell anything from that blurry photo
I'd never expect to find that many CCs in the same condition. If so the seller would would be an advanced collector with a great eye who just hated having his coins in slabs.
I asked seller to send me pics of individual coins & this is what I received:
The seller claims the coins were her husband’s. They’re hers now from a divorce settlement & there are more coins. So far the NGC AGE looks real.
I’m trying to make an appt. to view the collection & the divorce decree.
Those CC mintmarks look classic Chinese. Although hard to be sure at that angle.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dollars/silver-and-related-dollars/1895-s-1-ms63-pcgs/p/1280-123004.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
The ngc holder is clearly fake, and all of the CC's are too. No question.
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Tell her you'll pay $10,000 if they come back from PCGS (or NGC) as genuine regardless of the grade.
They look bad to me, although I'm not an expert on VAMs. The "9" seems wrong on the 1895-S as does the "S" frankly.
As I've already indicated, the "CC"s look Asian to me, although the pictures aren't the best.
For 5k get slabbed coins from a reputable dealer.
CU members have spoken. It is a baaad deal.
On the 93CC the bottom of the 9 is raised above the other numbers. There is no such VAM for the 93CC. The coin is a fake. I am in the counterfeit camp for all the coins. The seller is playing games with you with the photos. If you could get a matching reverse and obverse individual photo for each coin, I am sure you could prove all the coins are fakes.
Your NGC slab is clearly a fake - look at the barcode on the real one
https://ngccoin.com/certlookup/4385703-105/70/
all fake incl gold
Those Morgans are obviously fake. Sorry man.
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All CC's are using the same reverse with the same CC mint mark placement. Impossible.
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You were joking about the gold, I hope, and never mind the dollars! LOL.
Well, just Love coins, period.
Wow.... not looking good.... an in hand review will likely confirm the inputs above....Let us know what you find. Cheers, RickO
Everything looks fake
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also note the signature extends below the photo on the label at NGC's certification link. Gold eagle fake as well, Mintmark is a tad to low.
Point out to your seller that the US Secret Service will be interested in them.
The price of gold is set by faith, or lack of, in the currency it is priced in.
some of the cc's look way off in the pics. id stay away from it. jmo
I'm a neophyte in this, but learning quite a lot reading this forum. So i could be wrong. But comparing the gold coin to the real one linked a few posts above, the first and second ray on the left on the obverse, and how they're placed relatve to the stars, especially where the rays end appear very different. Is that my imagination, or explainable?
Gold eagle appears fake, IMO as well.
The ray furthest left should point directly at 4th star to the left of the Capitol Dome, not aside it. 5th Ray on right side should have more space between it and the subject's olive branch.
That Eagle is clearly fake.
Here are the NGC photos for the real gold American Eagle for that cert. Not even close (obvious typos, incorrect typeface, etc).: https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4385703-105/70/
I would report the seller to the US Secret Service and the local police. I’d also report the gold fake to NGC at service@ngccoin.com (I just did).
What if the woman actually did get them in divorce settlement, and husband knew? He got full value in the asset split, and she's left holding the bag. Ouch!
Whatever ya do, don't tell the lady that you think the coins are fakes. You could unwillingly get yourself involved in some legal paperwork with the court in this case.
Just tell the lady you're not interested and forget about it.
I wonder if this is a made up story by the seller.
If it is not a made up story by the seller and she did receive these coins in a divorce settlement, I wonder if the husband (who was the coin collector?) orchestrated things with his collection in order to seed it with fakes coins that would (if not fakes) have significant value (and thus sought by the wife and her divorce lawyer in the divorce), leaving him with a share of the collection that is not as glamorous (but legitimate coins).
Hmmm????????????
I wonder how often this has been done in divorce cases with items of value (i.e. jewelry, coins, art, etc.)
thanks for the great ideas!
Good for them... bad for you.
If it's too good to be true; it usually is. Same applies here. Along with sealed mason jars of coins/currency that have never been opened, original bank wrapped rolls of Morgan's, and those numerous, one of a kind estate sales...same garbage, different story.
The gold coin is a photo shop er something what's with the plastic tang on the upper right over the coin? The CCs are too far right and too FAT and I'll bet she is too.
If that’s the case (obese), I don’t think want to meet her
In all likelihood I dodged 5 thousand big ones. The coins are probably being shopped to other deep pocket sucker(s)
The first thing that I would have done if I had a bunch of high end and valuable coins in those card board 2X2’s would be to flatten the staples with a pair of pliers so that the staples would not scratch the other coins. No knowledgeable collector in their right mind, or so I hope, would not store their coins that way.
I can’t tell from the images if the coins are legit but I would take a pass.
Tell the wife that you will pay double for the coins, or $10k, on the condition the she have them graded first.
If they straight grade pay her the $10k and reimburse her the grading fees.
If they do not straight grade she keeps the coins and pays the grading fees. You keep your money.
Very deceptive coins from the photos and a real trap for unsuspecting and uninformed person.
Do your civic duty and prevent her from selling elsewhere.
The price of gold is set by faith, or lack of, in the currency it is priced in.
Anytime that you are offered coins that are supported by photos that are really poor, like this group, PASS. In this case the photos were just good enough to show that the 1889-CC Dollar was bad. If you are looking make a sale of this magnitude, the least you can do is post decent pictures. If you can't do that, you are not ready for "the big leagues,"
Let them all be Chinese Crap except for the 89 CC and then buy them. I would be skeptical that none were shrouded in plastic. Quite valuable coins if genuine. Your choice. Listen to the Morgan Sages on this forum.
Jim
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Just received an email from NGC in regards to reporting the gold fake:
"Thank you for your email. This is a counterfeit coin in a counterfeit holder. We are making note for this certification number."
I was shocked to receive a reply so quickly, and surprised that they actually took the report seriously. I am impressed.
The staple job looks very suspicious. Something is not right here.
I look at it this way if I was selling this my pic would be as good as I can get them. So that been said do you think they are real?
Hoard the keys.
The shiny new staples were probably stapled around the same time on all .... I agreed with @Hydrant
Fake - run Forrest, run!
I have added the pictures in the OP for my new "How not to get ripped off with counterfeits" presentation.
You take this statement to the bank almost 100% of the time.
Bad pictures, bad deal, especially if the price is something over $100.