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Did I bail someone out on this coin? Grade it 
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Nine (9) views and NO COMMENTS "WOW" is it that bad?
45 for lack of luster.
Ok I’ll embarass myself, by guessing MS60.
AU sharpness, probably graded AU-53 by NGC, but there are minor rim issues. My grade would be EF-45, maybe AU-50, if there is more luster than what i’m seeing in these photos. Dullness is my biggest issue with this coin.
40..show me the luster:)
I’d say 50
Immediate response: 45.
After further examination,
I’m going to go with KollectorKing on this one.
60.
I am torn on this one, the coin looks dull and lacks luster, but there doesn't' seem to be any big hits or scratches, still lot of detail on both sides. 55?
45
Au53
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AU50 is my guess.
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I am in the 45 crowd.
AU50.....Cheers, RickO
I am also at AU50 camp
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If it's not a VAM 2 what one is it?
bob
Looks around 45
VAM 1...................er ? Coin has die crack between 8s joining 18 & 89, VAM 3 has date slightly more to the right.
agreed, exactly!
Nice 40 but feeling generous so today I'd give it a 45. Congrats
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Coin depiction is 35 times as big as the coin is in hand.
doesn't show rim sins nor the face ticks, as much as, the picture does
I need a camera to do this better. I used an S-6 Samsung telephone and emailed it to myself and then dropped it here.
Not really dull like say an MS 84-S is although MS 65 84-S is spectacular to view.
Agree...especially the reverse.
My initial thought was a 45 but there are a few too many nicks on the obverse face for my liking.
I'm in the 45 camp too... it's the lack of luster that would concern me. Is there ANY luster in the devices?
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Luster YES it's an unfair pic so tell yourself when deciding 25% is remaining
45
First thought - 53
Don't see the luster - so I'll go 50
XF45......me thinks.
bob
45 here.
For me the eye appeal isn't there along with the tics on the face and muted luster. So to answer your question yes I think you bailed someone out but then again we don't know how much you paid. I'll be in the 50 camp for the record.
I'm at 45. If you are wondering if you "bailed someone out," them I'm guessing that NGC was more generous.
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Yeah, as far as bailing someone out... it depends upon how far YOU are in...
If you spent mint state money, then yes, you bailed someone out.
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Bingo, again....
Soap box.... Yes, I know this is for a XF coin, but if eye apparel is so important in grading (e.g. cleanness of the surface and originality, as it says above) how do coins with toning ever get any MS grade?
I was holding my breath, waiting for the other shoe to drop - in full glory - slab/grade revealed , a dripping luster, totally cool truview/label at 65 , knocking all the smug 45's off there pedestals , alas we have a true gtg no strings attached phew
What is the circle to right of Liberty's eye? Maybe this would be the only coin I would dip if authentic.
Jim
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VAM 3 according to Bowers Books and I think I would want it conserved? Er what the heck it's original.
45 is about right.
Not an appealing coin, sorry.
What page in QDB's book is the VAM3 having the small circle to the right of the eye listed. I cannot find it in my book. VAMWORLD does not list this mark under their VAM3 designations(at least I can't find). Just curious as it is so prominent. Thanks for your help.
Jim
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I would argue that toning is often original, and coins without toning often aren't, and that toning is a form of eye appeal.
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I don't see it at all, but whatever floats your boat.
Toned coins have often been left alone over the years, meaning the colors are a natural result of their environment and thus original. Untoned older coins more likely than not have been dipped or cleaned over the years in order to create a false "originality," but are not actually original. Many people, the graders at PCGS and NGC included, often find the colors created by toning to be beneficial to eye appeal.
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Not picking on you two but look at the OP image again and consider this:
The entire coin is gray until the hair above the ear and the leaf where the color changes to a lighter gray. That is where the rub from circulation "pops" out. So it is not MS. Now you'll need to decide how much detail is left to determine XF or AU.
@Rexford said: "I would argue that toning is often original, and coins without toning often aren't, and that toning is a form of eye appeal." THIS IS A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT IS 100% TRUE.
Therefore, IMHO, anyone who disagrees with this statement in EXTREMELY UNINFORMED!
Unattractive toning; or maybe it is like the "spinach" we are supposed to like because it is "good for you"...Toning can hide more than it says "original" unless there is a lot of luster, which XF coins should have.
In your original posting you question it's being AUTHENTIC "Maybe this would be the only coin I would dip if authentic"
The Bag mark is not part of the VAM 3 the shifted date is,
So, I replied VAM 3. I don't know much about the circle as it appears to be a bag mark exaggerated by the size of my photo.
and my poor photo skills. I hope this helps. Regards, Michael
Jim
Small die cracks travel through the date to the bust tip, the S in PLURIBUS, and the bottom of TATES OF. The 9 in the date is set high relative to the other digits, and faint clash marks appear near Liberty's neck. Most collectors are content to own any example of the famous 1889-CC dollar, regardless of variety, but these characteristics are interesting nonetheless. This lightly circulated example is uniformly toned in dusky gray-gold patina. Marks on the portrait only become apparent under a glass. Well-defined.(Registry values: P9, N1793) (NGC ID# 2559, PCGS# 7190)
Which only goes to show how bad my photography is...........hope this helps. Regards, Michael
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