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Why doesn't Heritage use TrueViews when available?
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I'm not aware of any restrictions and they're far better than their pics...
Just a policy I guess?
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They probably never check to see that they are available?
I am thinking they prefer their own photos, not foe any specific reason, just because they can.
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copyright protection?
Who owns the commercial copyright to truview images?
I had to ask them to use the true view, so I know they can. It would not be hard to implement since TVs are always the same dimension.
I usually just pull the cert up manually if it’s something I’m interested in and don’t view in person.
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It is an intrusion on the standard workflow of their operation. They also are certain that the slab and coin are correct and sized to fit into their catalog format for print and on-line use. Fiddling with someone else's photos is a pain and takes more time than it is likely worth. Lastly, they'd have to take the full slab photos anyway, so why not do it all?
PCGS allows the photos to be used for commercial purposes.
Great Collections won’t use them either.
Maybe it's that Heritage's photos better represent what you see with the naked eye vs. TrueView. I've bought toned coins where it's almost impossible to see with the naked eye what is shown on a TrueView.
cool, I did not know that!
hmm
PCGS holds the copyright for TrueViews and they have indicated that they don't permit anyone to build up a site of TrueViews for coins you don’t own. Since one of HA's goals is to build a database of all past auctions, including photos, adding TrueViews would likely violate this policy.
Legend Auctions started off using CoinFacts photos (TrueViews without the background) but I don't know if they still do that.
Stacks doesn’t use true views either. I just picked up a nice coin with a beautiful true view, but in the stacks picture it looked dark and dull.
I think Stacks does a wonderful job for the pieces I look at, primarily medals. I wish they would keep their listings up forever like HA.
I also wish they did since I have consigned coins to auctions and their images aren't as good.
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PCGS owns the copyright (period). You are licensed for personal usage.
I suspect the beauty shot nature of these images would cause more problems than they are worth with people disputing the sale. By using their own images, we can translate more successfully from picture to coin.
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In other words, Heritage does not have the right to use truview images for commercial purposes?
It seems to me that True Views are like glamor shots for women. They can overemphasize the positive. For what worth, I think that Stacks’ photos are better than Heritage.
I have always liked TruViews, and consider them to be a reasonable representation of the coin. Some aspects of coins are difficult to photograph and, quite frankly, (and in my opinion), nothing compares with 'in hand' viewing of a coin. That being said, I really enjoy all the pictures here and magnified views for evaluating varieties and errors. So, there is value, and risk, in each viewing medium and all should be utilized when possible. Cheers, RickO
Trueview is nt how the coin appears in person, in hand. Heritage pics are a much more accurate representation of the coin.
We'd be happy to use a True View image if the consignor desired us to do so. We'd also include images that we'd take ourselves to give multiple representations of the coin...if it serves the customer better, it just makes sense in my opinion...
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The real reason is workflow. They are an assembly line when it comes to cataloging stuff, and that includes photos. The best way to keep it running smoothly is to keep it closed.
That said, the least disruptive way for them to use TrueViews would be, if an auction lot listing contained the TPG serial number and it could be determined that a TrueView existed, to link it from the online listing at the time the listing page is generated for the viewer, much the way the TrueView is automatically inserted on the cert verification page, by inserting the following into their listing (substituting the actual serial number for the one used below).
Of course, if PCGS were to change the storage scheme without informing Heritage, it would leave dead image links on Heritage's pages.
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As long as the slab number is there, it's really not that difficult to find the TV. As a collector, I can afford the time to scrutinize 20 or 30 photos. If I was a dealer and potentially bidding on hundreds of coins....... well, then I'd be looking in-hand, no doubt.
One minor point - the PCGS photos are made before the coin is encapsulated. This permits better lighting and avoids image degradation from the plastic holder.
It would be a bad idea.
The function of an auction is to be uniform in the presentation of items for bids.
It would amount to some items getting preferential presentation.
A very bad thing in my opinion.
PCGS defines your rights as:
So either HA would have to license the images from PCGS or leverage your rights (include online sales). If you weren't the original purchaser of the TrueView you don't have even those rights.
The "deep linking" @messydesk shows has been the subject of lawsuits with different results in different jurisdictions.
When selling (potentially) internationally, you have to follow all the laws (which means the most restrictive) or maybe risk being banned in the EU, etc.
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So are the rights to a TrueView's use transferred along with the ownership of the pictured coin? I'm guessing it has to be, so the coin's owner and an enlisted 3rd party seller could use it. Any lawyers in the house?
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How do I find the TrueView?
That was my general feeling. Thank you for confirming.
Probably not. There's nothing about it on the PCGS site.
So, just for the sake of conversation, you think that to have the "rights" a new owner of a TrueView'ed coin would have to have it TrueView'ed again?
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Just go to the cert verification page and enter the cert#. If it has one it will come up on the right.
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/
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ship of the pictured coin? I'm guessing it has to be, so the coin's owner and an enlisted 3rd party seller could use it. Any lawyers in the house?
Possibly. Remember, PCGS owns the copyright to the image. They license it to you for "private use" when you buy it. Private use is not commercial use and does not automatically transfer with ownership of the coin as the image copyright is actually a completely different property from the coin.
That's an interesting thought. IF that happens to be the case it would be good to "attach" the rights of the photo to the current owner of the coin as it changes hands.
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Honestly, I think only PCGS can do that as they own the copyright.
I heard some time ago that Heritage has an equity interest in NGC. Could that be one of the factors in the decision?
True. It would seem beneficial to both PCGS and Heritage for a licensing agreement to be established for this purpose. Heritage would get an additional set of pictures in their auctions, and PCGS would get a royalty. If Heritage has some stake in NGC, as cardinal indicates may be the case, then I guess that would stand in the way.
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PCGS links to and displays HA historical pricing so it seems something could be done with TrueViews if there was a desire.