I flipped out when the guy pulled it out. All he had was state quarters and this rare quarter. Said he bought a small bag from the mint and found this. He was happy when he left the shop. This coin besides having the double strike is pristine.
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I’m viewing this on my iPhone – so I’m limited in viewing details of it, but there’s something that doesn’t look right to me about it Dash any chance it’ll be at the AMA this week? I’ll have to see if I can view it on someone’s laptop during the show but so far I’m here in Philly and only have my iPhone to view the images – it doesn’t smell right visually to me
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I'm with Fred on this one. It's anomalous because of the sharpness of the second strike while allowing so much of the first strike's detail to remain. The rim and the detail there is also a bit strange. It could easily be real, but deserves a closer look I think.
@FredWeinberg said:
I’m viewing this on my iPhone – so I’m limited in viewing details of it, but there’s something that doesn’t look right to me about it Dash any chance it’ll be at the AMA this week? I’ll have to see if I can view it on someone’s laptop during the show but so far I’m here in Philly and only have my iPhone to view the images – it doesn’t smell right visually to me
Is your thinking that the possibility that this coin was struck from false (counterfeit) dies?
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I’m viewing this on my iPhone – so I’m limited in viewing details of it, but there’s something that doesn’t look right to me about it Dash any chance it’ll be at the AMA this week? I’ll have to see if I can view it on someone’s laptop during the show but so far I’m here in Philly and only have my iPhone to view the images – it doesn’t smell right visually to me
Fred, I don't see anything obviously wrong with it on the big screen, other than possibly that it looks quite flat (no bending during the second strike).
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Fred, I'm thinkin the first strike was complete, the second strike (the off center one) the struck coin was tipped in the chamber and struck again. Roughly 50% of the first strike around the radius on top of Washington's head was completely struck out, yet leaving some of the original devices that were struck up originally remain in the lower half. The bent coin was flattened out during the complete stroke of the dies...that's my story and I'm stickin to it.
Yes – the second off-center strike doesn’t look right, neither does it’s grandma – or how the lettering from the original genuine strike shows through – I appreciate him taking a good look at it on his computer screen which I can’t do – but it still doesn’t smell right visually to me – at least on a small telephone screen
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Don’t know how the word “grandma” got in there I’m doing this by voice – I think I meant to say grandma well just said grandma again but I said rim – Rim– Sorry for any confusion
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The digits of the second "1999" seem broader, flatter, and more frosted than the first 1999.
The second "JM" (engraver's initials) lack the definition that the first JM has.
Based on that, it appears that the second strike was from different dies than the first strike.
almost looks like it may have had a slight 3rd hit. The last A in Pennsylvania on the very top of the reverse looks to be in the wrong spot and on the obverse through the LL looks like it doesn't follow the diameter of the second hit. Interesting coin, I like it!
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I will reserve my opinion but I recall running across a webpage selling ALOT of counterfeit coins and or "errors" very familiar to this. Not assuming yours is not genuine.
I guess the only way to be sure is for a microscopic examination of some area of the field that shows up on both strikes to see if the same microscopic die flaws repeat.
Because of the alignment of the two strikes I think we can safely rule out a struck coin bouncing into this coining chamber from a different coining chamber.
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I will reserve my opinion but I recall running across a webpage selling ALOT of counterfeit coins and or "errors" very familiar to this. Not assuming yours is not genuine.
Do you remember the website name? Thanks.
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@CRH4LIFE said:
I will reserve my opinion but I recall running across a webpage selling ALOT of counterfeit coins and or "errors" very familiar to this. Not assuming yours is not genuine.
Do you remember the website name? Thanks.
I do not but when I get home I can search around a bit and let you know.
I am not an error expert...not even close. So I will await the input of the experts above.... I will say there are anomalies I do not understand though - which is appropriate for a non-expert. Cheers, RickO
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Nice. Almost looks frosty. Interesting how much of the understrike is left.
I flipped out when the guy pulled it out. All he had was state quarters and this rare quarter. Said he bought a small bag from the mint and found this. He was happy when he left the shop. This coin besides having the double strike is pristine.
Very nice pickup,
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Real nice!
What’s the wholesale market price on this coin.
Very nice!
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Excellent. Looks like you doubled your pleasure.
Wow, "awesome" !!!
That's pretty cool!
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I’m viewing this on my iPhone – so I’m limited in viewing details of it, but there’s something that doesn’t look right to me about it Dash any chance it’ll be at the AMA this week? I’ll have to see if I can view it on someone’s laptop during the show but so far I’m here in Philly and only have my iPhone to view the images – it doesn’t smell right visually to me
I'm with Fred on this one. It's anomalous because of the sharpness of the second strike while allowing so much of the first strike's detail to remain. The rim and the detail there is also a bit strange. It could easily be real, but deserves a closer look I think.
Is your thinking that the possibility that this coin was struck from false (counterfeit) dies?
Fred, I don't see anything obviously wrong with it on the big screen, other than possibly that it looks quite flat (no bending during the second strike).
I edited the pics to show more details. It’s hard for me to take pics with my iPhone.
Fred, I'm thinkin the first strike was complete, the second strike (the off center one) the struck coin was tipped in the chamber and struck again. Roughly 50% of the first strike around the radius on top of Washington's head was completely struck out, yet leaving some of the original devices that were struck up originally remain in the lower half. The bent coin was flattened out during the complete stroke of the dies...that's my story and I'm stickin to it.
Me, I thinks it's genuine, 100% cool error.
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I edited the pics that were not really good to show what’s struck on the rim at twelve o’clock on the reverse and six o’clock on the obverse.
Yes – the second off-center strike doesn’t look right, neither does it’s grandma – or how the lettering from the original genuine strike shows through – I appreciate him taking a good look at it on his computer screen which I can’t do – but it still doesn’t smell right visually to me – at least on a small telephone screen
Don’t know how the word “grandma” got in there I’m doing this by voice – I think I meant to say grandma well just said grandma again but I said rim – Rim– Sorry for any confusion
The digits of the second "1999" seem broader, flatter, and more frosted than the first 1999.
The second "JM" (engraver's initials) lack the definition that the first JM has.
Based on that, it appears that the second strike was from different dies than the first strike.
I disagree
almost looks like it may have had a slight 3rd hit. The last A in Pennsylvania on the very top of the reverse looks to be in the wrong spot and on the obverse through the LL looks like it doesn't follow the diameter of the second hit. Interesting coin, I like it!
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That’s what I was was thinking Mike.
I will reserve my opinion but I recall running across a webpage selling ALOT of counterfeit coins and or "errors" very familiar to this. Not assuming yours is not genuine.
I guess the only way to be sure is for a microscopic examination of some area of the field that shows up on both strikes to see if the same microscopic die flaws repeat.
Because of the alignment of the two strikes I think we can safely rule out a struck coin bouncing into this coining chamber from a different coining chamber.
If it’s a fake it’s a good one.
Do you remember the website name? Thanks.
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Would be cool to have Fred, Dan or the captain (sorry don't know your real name
) to have a look at this coin in person.
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Yes it would Mike. And I’m willin’
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I do not but when I get home I can search around a bit and let you know.
I am not an error expert...not even close. So I will await the input of the experts above.... I will say there are anomalies I do not understand though - which is appropriate for a non-expert.
Cheers, RickO
thats a wicked cool pick up, i like