Guess the Grade: Isabella Quarter (REVEALED)

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cameonut2011
cameonut2011 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 20, 2019 7:24PM in U.S. Coin Forum

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  • DNADave
    DNADave Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64, if it's not detail graded due to the giant scratch.

  • jughead1893
    jughead1893 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,939 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-64 because of the scratch running down from the eye.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • GaCoinGuy
    GaCoinGuy Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭✭
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    65

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  • CoinCrazyPA
    CoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭
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    MS66

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    High end gem imo. Many of these have either been dipped out and come back as cleaned or are darkly toned. This one has a lot of eye appeal.

  • USMarine6
    USMarine6 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @SeattleSlammer said:
    Giant scratch? huh?....my eyes must be going

    Ya I'm not seeing it either. Looks like a break in the toning tis all but then again I haven't seen the eye doctor since 1994.
    I grade it 65+ and love it!!

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,939 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @SeattleSlammer said:
    Giant scratch? huh?....my eyes must be going

    Check in front at the bottom of Isabella's eye and down her cheek. It might be just a toning mark, but it looks like a scratch in the photo.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65+

  • Kkathyl
    Kkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66

    Best place to buy !
    Bronze Associate member

  • dmwest
    dmwest Posts: 959 ✭✭✭✭
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    66.25

    Don't quote me on that.

  • CommemDude
    CommemDude Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks very pretty but it's hard to grade from a truevue beauty shot.
    Unusual toning for an Isabella, maybe formerly in a PCI or old NGC holder?

    Dr Mikey
    Commems and Early Type
  • MorganMan94
    MorganMan94 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Gorgeous coin regardless of them grade! 65+

  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Huh. I thought this was "the giant scratch" referred to.

    Pretty.
    Lance.

    Coin Photography Services / Everyman Registry set / BHNC #213
  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I do not see the scratch either. I have an appointment with the eye doctor on Wednesday.

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I see the scratch Lance noted, but none on the cheek that would even be visible with my eyes. The one on her body is pretty tough.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

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  • oldabeintx
    oldabeintx Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64 because of the scratch, no worse because of where it's located. An awesome looker regardless.

  • SeattleSlammer
    SeattleSlammer Posts: 10,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Giant scratch? huh?....my eyes must be going > @lkeigwin said:

    Huh. I thought this was "the giant scratch" referred to.

    Pretty.
    Lance.

    Now I see that...now that you’ve blown it up even bigger. Kind of looked like it meshed with the clothing drapery design a bit...

  • Dave99B
    Dave99B Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't care much for Isabella quarters, but wow, this one is beautiful!

    66?

    Dave

    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • CommemKing
    CommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS65. Beautiful coin.

  • TommyType
    TommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If you have to blow it up to flying saucer size to see the "giant scratch" under the eye.....Well, I say it can be ignored. ;)

    I'm going with the predominant 66 as well.

    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • grip
    grip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Regardless of the scratch the eye appeal is super.
    So I give the scratch a 66.:)

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thank you for the comments and guesses! I'll post the grade tomorrow.

  • fiftysevener
    fiftysevener Posts: 943 ✭✭✭✭
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    UNC details

  • SeatedToners
    SeatedToners Posts: 392 ✭✭✭✭
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    That’s a very pretty quarter regardless of what the plastic says

  • ChrisRx
    ChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
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    That tiny scratch is not distracting. With eye appeal... 65 or 66.

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  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Bed time bump...

  • BryceM
    BryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Really nice looking coin. I love the toning pattern and it's one I'd be happy to own. I'd guess MS66.

  • Type2
    Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS65+



    Hoard the keys.
  • GRANDAM
    GRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 9, 2018 9:48PM
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    I first saw an Isabella Quarter about 36 years ago while in my local coin shop. I was buddies with the owner and another customer had just bought one and had brought it in for show and tell. It was a blast white beauty but this coin blows that coin away. I had never heard of an Isabella Quarter before that day as I wasn't into Classic Commemoratives.

    You have to remember this was before the internet and my access to info was limited.

    Since then I have always wanted to get one but never have.

    If this coin was ever available I would LOVE to buy it. ;););)

    P.S. I blew the photo up and I can't see a scratch,,,,,, giant or otherwise.

    GrandAm :)
  • HighRelief
    HighRelief Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65

  • derryb
    derryb Posts: 38,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'ts past midnight, what's the grade?

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  • MikeInFL
    MikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 9, 2018 10:28PM
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    My first reaction is that's at least a 65, and it's a gorgeous coin.

    That was before I found the scratch.

    My sense is the coin graded 65 and the graders weren't any harder on the coin because of the scratch, but a silent net grade to 64 or even a bodybag wouldn't surprise me either.

    I guess 65.

    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    QC

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The scratch on the body is certainly there, but covered by the tarnish. The other scratch seems barely visible.... I would go with the 65/66 guesses....and lean to 66 because of the excellent detail. Cheers, RickO

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This was submitted raw to PCGS, and has not been resubmitted although I hope to try again in the future.

    PCGS called this UNC Details - Questionable Color

  • ShadyDave
    ShadyDave Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ouch. PCGS is mighty tough on toned coins right now (thankfully after some of the stuff straight graded over the last 12 months). Your coin seems to have natural toning and colors in my opinion, but maybe having the coin in hand would tell a different story.

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ShadyDave said:
    Ouch. PCGS is mighty tough on toned coins right now (thankfully after some of the stuff straight graded over the last 12 months). Your coin seems to have natural toning and colors in my opinion, but maybe having the coin in hand would tell a different story.

    Thanks! I welcome the tightening too.

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Maybe PCGS is a bit gun shy due to all of the colorful ASE's getting around. I still like that quarter, too bad the value took a big hit. Can't blame our host for being cautious.

  • shorecoll
    shorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2018 11:25AM
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    Maybe the toning was just too even, it sure is pretty.

    edit to add: Maybe it failed the sniffer.

    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That's a shame! I wonder what they were basing their rejection on? I bought a Morgan dollar that PCGS rejected like that and another grading service called MS64 and it sold right away due to eye appeal.

  • Wabbit2313
    Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The toning on the rims is the giveaway for me.

  • MorganMan94
    MorganMan94 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I still want it, how long till I see it in B/S/T? ;)

  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I thought it would "QC" from the first second I saw it, although honestly I admit I like the coin, QC or not.
    However what was the kicker for me is that this color on an Isabella is most unusual and out of the ordinary, so I presumed that the graders would err on the side of caution.
    If/when they see something they either haven't seen or very rarely see, it will not receive a straight grade a majority of the time.

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MorganMan94 said:
    I still want it, how long till I see it in B/S/T? ;)

    In a QC holder... never. :D

  • USMarine6
    USMarine6 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Take a look through coin facts and all the true views for this coin from 64 on up. The color of yours fits right in.

  • MikeInFL
    MikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2018 1:28PM
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    @Wabbit2313 said:
    The toning on the rims is the giveaway for me.

    I must admit, that feature in particular was a concern when I viewed the coin, but I'm not sure it would have caused me to reject the coin -- but in retrospect I see what you mean.

    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • BryceM
    BryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If it is QC, it's one that strikes me as being very close to acceptable. The toning on the rims is a little worrisome, but plenty of perfectly acceptable coins have at least some of this. Submit it a few times and it will come back OK eventually. If the coin is otherwise going to get a high grade, they'll maybe err on the side of caution.

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2018 2:40PM
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    @BryceM said:
    If it is QC, it's one that strikes me as being very close to acceptable. The toning on the rims is a little worrisome, but plenty of perfectly acceptable coins have at least some of this. Submit it a few times and it will come back OK eventually. If the coin is otherwise going to get a high grade, they'll maybe err on the side of caution.

    If I had submitted six to eight months before I eventually did, I think it would have made it first try. I too think it will eventually end up in straight graded plastic if I try enough but it isn't worth many attempts because it is an inexpensive piece. I'm waiting until I see signs that PCGS is loosening again before I resubmit it.

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