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What's the FUZZ with milk spots when the toning process would eventually BLOOM over it?

ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 2, 2018 12:53AM in U.S. Coin Forum

A couple ASE in my box show some very faint milk spots and base on all the comments.....I felt as I've committed a Cardinal Sin.
What's the fuzz? Would they be just covered eventually with the blooming tone?
Please let me know before I go the the box >:)o:)

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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I dislike milk spots. Hopefully the toning will eventually cover it. Good luck and aloha !!! :)

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    BruceSBruceS Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought the mint figured this out a few years ago, pre treatment?

    Didn't the Canadian mint sell the rights to us last year? Or was that a rumor?

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    TurboSnailTurboSnail Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good point! This gives me the idea on my toning experiment. I will start AT on those ASE, Maple and Britannia with milk spots sometime this week.

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you can find them without spots, I'd do that.

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2, 2018 12:55AM

    IMHO they are good candidates; especially if they were below melt.......to go over the toning process whether it's natural or artificially induced. Just a little thought in my little head late Sunday night in HI ;)

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    mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    Pics? I don't believe I've ever seen toning over a milk spot b4.

    Insert witicism here. [ xxx ]

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yea I guess if you get them on the inexpensive side it wont matter too much.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have not seen an ASE with tarnish over the milk spots....From a collectors point of view, milk spotted coins are just stacking bullion.... it may be interesting to see if an AT process could cover them...to my knowledge, no method for removing them has been successful - yes, I did hear a rumor about the Canadian Mint finding some process, but have never seen it substantiated. I have not experimented with AT'ing spotted coins...so really cannot say if it would work. Cheers, RickO

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    cardinalcardinal Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the spots are just now forming, and the value of the coin merits it, PCGS Restoration might work. A few years ago, I had some silver proofs that had developed milk spots. I sent some in for Restoration, just to see if it would work, and many came back spot-free. The rest of the restored proofs greatly improved as well, with just very minor spotting remaining.

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2, 2018 9:58AM

    @ricko FYI
    This is from the Royal Canadian Mint Web Site :smile:

    Here is a link to 1 page pdf............ https://www.mint.ca/store/dyn/html/bullion/mintshield/pdfs/Solving the silver bullion-WEB-EN.pdf

    MINTSHIELD™ from the Royal Canadian Mint is the world's first and only proven solution for reducing white spots on silver bullion coins — a proprietary advancement developed by the innovative minds at the Royal Canadian Mint and applied to every Silver Maple Leaf bullion coin dated 2018 or later.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1630Boston.... Thank you, very interesting.... Even they say though, it 'significantly reduces' milk spots... not total prevention....and, as I understand it, no one has been able to remove them once they appear. Cheers, RickO

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    GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice idea I might leave one on the window where the sun can expose it for 1 year and see what happens. Any ideas on how to expose a graded coin to see if it will over time tone and accelerate the toning process. Where is Mr. Toner when you need him/her?

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you still have the turtle terrarium? :)

    @Gluggo said:
    Nice idea I might leave one on the window where the sun can expose it for 1 year and see what happens. Any ideas on how to expose a graded coin to see if it will over time tone and accelerate the toning process. Where is Mr. Toner when you need him/her?

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    GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Paradise I don’t have one but I see what your saying thank you.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Try the small manilla coin holders from years ago if you can find them. That'll tone them. Some pretty some pretty ugly. Unless they are proofs, it's just bullion anyway.

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    shinywhiteshinywhite Posts: 346 ✭✭✭

    @BruceS said:
    I thought the mint figured this out a few years ago, pre treatment?

    Didn't the Canadian mint sell the rights to us last year? Or was that a rumor?

    Yeah, I heard the same thing about "mint shield". Though I do not know if it was true or not. I was under the impression that ASE's hardly get milk spots(as opposed to other coins, i.e. maples, britannias...etc). In my experience , the ASE I have dont have any spots. But, I'm sure I just jinxed myself

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    BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2, 2018 11:41AM

    B)

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    GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @shinywhite said:

    @BruceS said:
    I thought the mint figured this out a few years ago, pre treatment?

    Didn't the Canadian mint sell the rights to us last year? Or was that a rumor?

    Yeah, I heard the same thing about "mint shield". Though I do not know if it was true or not. I was under the impression that ASE's hardly get milk spots(as opposed to other coins, i.e. maples, britannias...etc). In my experience , the ASE I have dont have any spots. But, I'm sure I just jinxed myself

    I hope not I thought the same then found 2 in a row! I was devistated.

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    drfishdrfish Posts: 952 ✭✭✭✭

    If your ASEs are collector coins like W mint marked burnished, proofs or reverse proofs they are worth much more as untoned, white coins with no spots in 70 grades. As an ex ASE collector I lost a bunch of money when coins I purchased in 70 graded holders later developed spots. I have never seen a slabbed 70 develop attractive toning in the holder but hundreds develop milk spots and light brown toning spots / blotches. Before they revoked the guarantee I sent bunches of spotted ASEs to PCGS and NGC for spot review. They always bought the milk spot coins and were able to fix those with brown toning spots.
    I guess you could try (you’d have to crack the slabbed coins)and get some wild/attractive toning to cover the ugly milk spots but I think that’s a pretty unlikely outcome (unless you know a good coin Dr )

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Out of curiosity .....what kind of dr are you @drfish ? ;)

    @drfish said:
    I guess you could try (you’d have to crack the slabbed coins)and get some wild/attractive toning to cover the ugly milk spots but I think that’s a pretty unlikely outcome (unless you know a good coin Dr )

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    drfishdrfish Posts: 952 ✭✭✭✭

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,542 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Am I the only one who's never heard the expression "What's the fuzz?" I remember the police as being referred to as the fuzz back in the 1960's. Initially, I thought the OP was talking about her ASE's growing fuzz.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall ....still chuckling... Then one could say the ASE's are 'all fuzzed up'...
    Seriously though, I have never heard a report of milk spots that were covered by tarnish... My thoughts were that the spots themselves would not tarnish, since it was already a form of surface damage.....and none of my ASE's have milk spots, so no opportunity to experiment. Cheers, RickO

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