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Counterfeit 1912 Saint in a FAKE slab? *Edited from legitimate > FAKE slab
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How did this coin get into a PCGS FAKE slab? It is currently active from eBay seller Jaypeedub88 
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Slab is fake too.
The coin is a really pathetic fake.
Sadly a few bidders are on with 17hrs left....the white flash burnt spot was probably intentionally done
Yes, it is sad.
But if you're spending that much money for a "gold" "coin" and this tripe fools you......I hesitate to say you deserve to get boofooed but..........
That's not even a good fake...ouch.
The font is the wrong style on the slab label. Neither the coin nor the label are very convincing, but someone will unfortunately fall for it.
Reported as counterfeit.
(Halfway down page, on right side, just above "eBay item number", is a "Report item" link.
In the categories, use Copyright, Counterfeit, Counterfeit).
In my description I said:
"Counterfeit coin, in counterfeit PCGS slab.
Note: in 1912 date, 19 is small and 12 are large."
Auction has 4 days left.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-St-Gaudens-20-Double-Eagle-MS-63/283025298187?hash=item41e59f530b:g:JwYAAOSwlmhbMQXp
I couldn't believe any could be fooled
stumbled over it looking for 1912 Saint
Am I the only one who is wondering if there's chocolate inside that coin?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
Looks like Fat Gandalf is fending off Hobbits tryna steal his weed.
Wow, scary !!!
No. The scary counterfeits require the close examination by an expert authenticator using a stereo microscope to be uncovered. This coin is so bad that it's more funny than scary.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
Listing has been removed.....Also, the PCGS holder is counterfeit, the barcode on it is invalid. The barcode reads as 28837418, and there is no such coin in the PCGS registry. The seller made the barcode impossible to scan, but you can still read it manually using the interleaved translation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interleaved_2_of_5
I'm glad it was taken down.
That is unbelievable...Glad it has been removed... I find it amazing that people actually bid on it...well, perhaps not unbelievable... but sad that people with so little knowledge would be spending such money without more research or consultation. Cheers, RickO
This is exactly why I hated the Hobby Protection Act! Today there are beautiful reproductions around with the word "COPY" used to destroy their beauty and no one is really protected. The ignorant still buy stuff as this POS!
Years ago I had a caller tell me about a rare coin they had (Think it was a Bar Cent). As he described it and how it was passed down in the family after it was discovered in a roll top desk I patiently listened. Then I asked if there was any writing on the coin. He said no but there is something on the edge. "Read what you see" I said. He replied, "C - O - P - Y." That's what I mean. A few "do-gooder's" lobbied Congress to make another stupid law.
And before any "snowflakes" reply, I don't care about saving "even just one collector..." Capitol Hill has better things to do like putting warning labels on things like "Do not try to hold this vacuum cleaner over your head to clean the ceiling!" How about: "Swallowing this caustic acid can kill you."
The thread title should be changed because that is not a "legitimate slab".
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I think that's why a question mark was used.
I did not know the slab was as fake....I do now and subject line has been corrected
Thank you.
Liberty gained some weight. What a fake.
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The Hobby Protection Act has a provision that allows individuals to bring a civil legal action against ANY counterfeiter and, if successful, recover 100% of the counterfeiter's' revenue. Plus equipment, dies and anything else used will be confiscated and destroyed.
Saddest fake I have seen in a long time.
They would just claim that they had no idea that it was fake and that they were scammed by the person they bought it from.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
that is probably the worst ive seen in a slab.
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crud, that screams bogus right from the get go.
I'll never forget the time I sent a message to an ebay seller that was selling an 1889cc that she inherited. Or so she said in the description. Had it priced at $2,499 and it was raw.
The message I sent: Did your relative collect fakes or do they have some real ones too?
The message I got back: What makes you think this is a fake coin? I've had it looked at by two dealers and they both wanted to buy it at more that what I have it listed for (ebay rules won't let me list for what it's worth).
My response: Because it has COPY stamped across the eagles breast.
Didn't hear anymore and listing was removed.......lol
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If they have equipment and dies, unless they are the U.S. Mint, they can't pretend they didn't know. I think you are confusing the counterfeiter with the accidental seller of a counterfeit.
Are you aware of a case where that has happened?
Go and read the law, then if you have questions about how to proceed, hire an attorney to advise you.
I have not examined case law for this. The ANA, as the official hobby organization - Congress says so - should have, but they don't seem to care or enforce it even for members.
OK, so that really didn't answer my question then.
I actually have read the Law and had the opportunity to sit in on a meeting with Staffers of the Senate Finance Committee and Liaison to CBP discussing the issue of fake coins in fake TPG holders. The Committee expressed interest in Trade Mark infringement for the fake holders/ labels, CBP in identifying bad product at port of entry and stopping it from getting into the country.
It's a real coin, just a late die state.
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Counterfeiters and violators of HPA are both foreign and domestic. Trade Mark/patent infringement is already common, and any TPG whose product is infringed can take civil action.
Yep -- interdiction at PoE is very difficult for imported violators. Domestic can be easily taken to civil court, if anyone cares and has the necessary start-up funds.
It should also be reported to local authorities... It's a federal crime in my book.
Yes, so late in fact that the die was made a century after the date indicated on "the thing."
She spent the real coin on food.
I saw a bunch of fake PCGS slabbed coins recently. Guy had inherited them and you can imagine the disappointment when he found out he had worthless junk.