What is the largest jump or fall in grade on a crossover submission that you have had?

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jesbroken
jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I sent in an ANACS(yellow tag) 1926 Buffalo graded AU58 in order to cross into a PCGS holder. I needed the AU58 1926 Buffalo and this coin fit the bill, I thought. The grade came back as a PCGS MS63. Whaaaat? Not that I am complaining but darn! Now I'm sending in some raw coins that I need to fill the registry slots. So what is your biggest jump up or down for crossovers?
Jim


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  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I had an Indian $5 gold go from a rattle holder AU-58 to a PCGS “full size” holder MS-63. I did crack the coin out before I submitted it.

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  • MorganMan94
    MorganMan94 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I had a Columbian half in ANACS AU55 or 58 with the PL designation I cracked and sent to NGC twice, both times it came back UNC-Cleaned :(
    Unfortunately that is my only "upgrade", if you can call it that.

  • topstuf
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    Consistency over time is the secret to the TPGs. :D

  • DIMEMAN
    DIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I have had a point each way several times. :):(

  • ModCrewman
    ModCrewman Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Proof 1955 half went from small holder ANACS 65 CAM to 66 DCAM, a 57 proof Franklin from 65 CAM to 67 CAM, and a 57 quarter from 65 CAM to 66 CAM all in the same submission.

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ModCrewman--get that grader's name and see what days he/she works. :D


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    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • ModCrewman
    ModCrewman Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jesbroken said:
    ModCrewman--get that grader's name and see what days he/she works. :D

    From my recent experience, he was let go long ago!

  • OnWithTheHunt
    OnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Cracked it out first but I had a SEGSS VF-20 scratched (very minor IMO) 1927-D 3-1/2 legger grade VF-30 clean. Guess PCGS agreed with me.

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  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not my coin, but this is the best I have seen:

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/is-anacs-crazy-or-am-i-crazy.302604/

    Anacs AU 55 Details to PCGS MS 64

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wow, now that's some upgrade!


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    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • RogerB
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    None. Do not participate in this activity.

  • oih82w8
    oih82w8 Posts: 13,212 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The greatest spread (for me) was for a 1899-O 10C RPM FS-501 NGC MS62 = PCGS MS60

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  • hutze1nm
    hutze1nm Posts: 235 ✭✭✭
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    Proof 62 1955 Washington old ANACS white holder to pcgs PR67

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  • Smudge
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    @jesbroken said:
    ModCrewman--get that grader's name and see what days he/she works. :D

    He is now grading Monster Boxes of ASE's. PCGS purgatory. Apologies to our host.

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Smudge said:
    He is now grading Monster Boxes of ASE's. PCGS purgatory. Apologies to our host.

    That would be an easy job. Just put MS69 on 99 of them then one MS70 and job done. Oops, just kiddin'.


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    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    wow Ron. You win!!!!


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • koynekwest
    koynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thanks, Jim. That was one of those big ones that are few and far between.

  • onlyroosies
    onlyroosies Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭✭
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    1953S Roosie PCGS MS65 to NGC MS68*

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @onlyroosies 1953S Roosie PCGS MS65 to NGC MS68*

    Was that sent in the PCGS holder or was it broken out?


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    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • onlyroosies
    onlyroosies Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭✭
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    Broken out, came back MS67, sent back to NGC as regrade came back MS68*. this was 20 years ago

  • MikeInFL
    MikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 28, 2018 2:13PM
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    I have a large cent that went from a "corroded" ANA slab to a VG PCGS slab. It was not an "offical" crossover, as I cracked the coin though -- I've never submitted under the crossover offering....and for what it's worth, I agreed with PCGS on the coin.

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  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I had an NGC 58 go to a PCGS 50!

  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I had an NGC 58 go to a PCGS 50!

  • ms70
    ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PCGS 58 to PCGS 62 on a Seated CC Quarter.

  • ms70
    ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PCGS 58 to PCGS 62 on a Seated CC Quarter.

  • CCGGG
    CCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    An ANACS 58 crossing to PCGS 63. Never heard of such a thing. The other way around, maybe.

  • PennyGuy
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    About six months ago I cracked a 1864 LM two cent out of a VF-20 yellow ANACS holder. It came back from our host in a VF-35 holder. There is no way the coin was even close to a 35 coin. I cracked it out again and sold it raw to a local dealer to get rid of it. Just couldn’t bring myself to sell it as a 35. This is the back story to my WTB ad on the BST Forum.

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  • MonsterCoinz
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    ICG AU58 -> PCGS MS66

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  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @mach1ne ICG AU58 -> PCGS MS66

    Now that is unbelieveably a stroke of luck.


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,923 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jesbroken said:
    @mach1ne ICG AU58 -> PCGS MS66

    Now that is unbelieveably a stroke of luck.

    Or incompetence... Which service was "right" @mach1ne?

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @mach1ne
    Was this coin removed from the ICG holder and submitted or submitted for a crossover in the holder?


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    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • sawyerjosh
    sawyerjosh Posts: 416 ✭✭✭
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    PCI 14 digit Green Label 1866 Motto 50C MS64 cracked out and submitted to PCGS came back as Genuine AU details questionable color https://www.pcgs.com/cert/34723242 [lost considerable amount of money]; PCI 14 digit Green Label 1873 Trade $ MS62 cracked and submitted to PCGS came back as PR Genuine UNC Details (91 - Questionable Color) https://www.pcgs.com/cert/34467361 [made some profit] happy to see the coin get PR designation; Hallmark 1937 MS66 PQ Quarter cracked out and submitted to PCGS came back as MS67 [made decent profit]. Note: I've usually had great success cracking/ crossing PCI 14 digit Green Label holders.

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  • 1946Hamm
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    Best one I have had.

    Have a good day, Gary
  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The only one I've tried was a 13-D type 1 buff that went ICG 65 cracked out to PCGS 66, now cac as well.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • MonsterCoinz
    MonsterCoinz Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jesbroken said:
    @mach1ne
    Was this coin removed from the ICG holder and submitted or submitted for a crossover in the holder?

    Yes, or that never would have happened because of grading bias. Pic related.

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  • gtstang
    gtstang Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU58 Is that grade that makes you go hmmm

  • burfle23
    burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    .

  • davids5104
    davids5104 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭✭
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    I truly enjoy this thread. I have been thinking about this. So far my only crossover change of one interval or greater is a 58 going to a 53. My question related to this was going to the likelihood of an AU going to a MS and whether given the definitions this should happen as often as 35 becoming 40s and 40s becoming 45s

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  • TopoftheHill
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    To everyone on this thread: It would be helpful to know if you cracked the coin out of the original slab, or if you sent it in the original slab for cross over. Thanks!

  • WingedLiberty1957
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  • erwindoc
    erwindoc Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Just had a buffalo in PCGS MS64 come back as a NGC MS62 last week.

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    XF45 to AU58; I've also had a 3 cent nickel I cracked out of an Unc. numerical holder go AU details at NGC then back into Unc. straight holders.

  • ARCO
    ARCO Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PCGS grades higher if you crack out vs send the coin in the slab. They don't like to give same grades, much less higher grades.

    1913-S NGC AU53 down to PCGS XF45 (coin was punished because it had darker toning). PCGS will grade black coins MS, but they have a come apart if the coin is AU and darker. Strange.

  • BeefCurry808
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    Biggest one for me was a 1940 Proof Lincoln Anacs PF61 to PCGS PF64

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  • OPA
    OPA Posts: 17,166 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Approx. 15 years ago, ICG 1928 Peace MS64...cracked out...came back PCGS MS65. Same time ICG 1928-S MS64 ...came back PCGS MS64. Both coins were originally won on eBay. That was the last and only time that I tried that "game." (Foot note, both coins were sold shortly there after at a decent profit B) )

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  • thefinn
    thefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I had a 1913 Type 1 Buffalo Nickel in a PCI AU58 come back PCGS MS64.

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    Bought a 1918/7-S SLQ ANACS AU53 from teletrade and crossed it in holder to PCGS AU53FH. Made $20K profit :smile:

    Regrade an Ike rattler Proof set (all PR66 and PR67) and all came back PR-69DCAM except one PR-69CAM :wink:

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