Do you buy from/sell to, dealers/collectors, whom you do not see eye to eye with.
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Serious question. In other words if your NON-HOBBY viewpoints (could be anything) conflict with those who buy/sell would it prevent you from selling to/ buying from them, even if it meant not filling that last special spot in your collection? For myself I on occasion have not purchased an item that I needed because of a non-hobby based reason. Where does one draw the line?
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I'm pretty tolerant of folks with other viewpoints, but will avoid doing business with some people, more because of their behavior than their viewpoint.
Would I buy from a left-aligned dealer? I have
Would I buy from a pedophile? Not knowingly
Is that what OP is asking?
VERY good question....
I like to think to think that I can be open-minded and tolerant of all kinds of people and could do business with them. However, when tolerance becomes a one-way street I have to admit that it sometimes does become an issue.
There was one person (not here) who I used to buy discount postage from, but when he used one of his weekly emails to go on a rant about a very contentious issue and condemned those on the other side, I started shopping elsewhere.
I am very surprised that some posters here who have businesses will think nothing of antagonizing people with whom they disagree on totally unnecessary political threads.
I have quit buying from a dealer or two that I didn't like.
So there are only a couple coin shops close to my house, the closest of which I have stopped going to. Not only is the owner 'not a people person' to put it nicely. I realized after a gaining a little bit of knowledge in coin collecting that he was taking me for a ride. After coming out of being a complete and total novice I did some research on a few of our transactions and realized he had been overcharging me. I no longer endorse that coin store and try to steer others clear of the place.
I had one great guy that I recently had to dump. I'm sure I'm on his blocked list too but don't care. It was a mutual split, and both parties involved are for the better.
I try not to be judgmental when buying coins.
There is a redneck dealer here in NC that I won't even look at because of the negative way he treats his wife and mother in law who are typically behind his table. A total jerk.
That said, if a dealer wanted to make a political statement by what he says, wears, or whatever, I'll make a snap decision but likely move on if I disagree. I still have integrity and sleep soundly at night.
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The mother in law I could understand, but his own wife??
The problem is that he treats women like chit. Doesn't matter if they are related. So I treat HIM like chit.
My wife is proud of me.
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100% Agree with you there. Well said
Poor potty training? On his part that is.
And we wonder why coin shows are such a sausage fest.
This reminds me. Was on a flight to a show and saw a “well known currency dealer” interact with his wife. Total douche nozzle. Mean and demeaning. Not swift with flight attendants either. If i collected currency, he’d be off my list no matter what he was selling
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Ah I don't care.....buy the coin !
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
It's all about the coin and its price point.
I don't buy from those who attack and insult me.
I think it's obvious to tell when someone is grateful for my business and the interaction as a fellow human being. Sometimes the contact is not as rewarding but not negative and I am okay with that too. I shall walk away from anyone who exhibits offensive behavior in it's various forms. This is my choice. Peace Roy
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What if you could cherry pick a rare variety worth 10X his asking price?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Only one time did I run someone away from my table, a man who started making snarky comments about the assassination of President Kennedy in relation to a silver half dollar I was selling with a die marker on the temple. I happened to grow up in Dallas and that was a very painful time for the city and the country. A total bigot racist and a thoroughly unpleasant and miserable person, I still see him at shows and he knows better than to walk up to my table. I try to be nice to everybody, but there are lines you don't cross. I really don't care what political persuasion anyone is (as long as they don't throw it in my face), and I don't care at all whether you liked or disliked President Kennedy (or anyone else). But don't be an @$$.
Kind regards,
George
I buy from just about anyone if the coin and price fit my wants or needs. There is one dealer that sets up at shows in the Seattle area that is just a nasty person and high priced - After two encounters I just skipped him thereafter. Other than that, no problem. And I do not sell coins, so that half of the question is moot. Cheers, RickO
@Ricko if you ever do sell any of those untarnished coins, will you call me first? I promise to be nice and thoroughly engaging and pay good prices! You can even show me your gun collection
Kind regards,
George
@giorgio11 ....
OK George... I will make a note of this....Such a generous offer - you are first in line.... well, if there were a line, you would be first....If you were to go through coins and guns, well, you better plan on an extended stay... 
Cheers, RickO
@Ricko I'll book a nice hotel nearby, just LMK.
Kind regards,
George
I don't typically know the people I buy from or sell to well enough to make such a distinction. In anycase, they are entitled to their opinions, even those that are far left.
Blows my mind sometimes! 
However I draw the line at dealing with known asshats. Case in point, I was at a coin show yesterday and a well known asshat (IMO) knew I had some coins to sell/trade and he asked to look at my coins. I told him that I had already promised someone else that they could look at them first. (That was actually sort of true, I had promised myself that I'd sell to anyone but him) He's one of the very few that I won't even look at the stuff on his tables.
At one time and inclusive of the pricing, grading and other hob nobbery, this used to be a hobby.
It's both a hobby and a business for me. But I won't tolerate fools or disrespect.
Kind regards,
George
I would sell to the devil if he thru
in his golden fiddle.:)
@grip Yeah, Faust tried that.
Kind regards,
George
Maybe. I strive to enjoy my hobby and will avoid things that lessen enjoyment. That includes unhinged political threads here.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Sadly, common sense like this has become all too uncommon today. Hard to argue against such a sound philosophy. Words to live by.
While I am passionate about numismatics, I am in the coin business to make money - buy low / sell high.
I don’t solicit participants views nor let theirs affect me as long as the situation supports the above. Bottom line however when it’s obvious they are not a buyer or seller I have any use for and their negative BS starts it’s time for them leave my table.
I will listen to friends like one major gold coin dealer like how traveling with $500 k in inventory is stressful whether on the road or thru airports. I do enjoy convo w customers / dealers at my table. I maintain a professional, positive image on the bourse and keep my opinions to myself at shows.
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ive done the same.
I'm 8 feet 13 inches tall where do you suggest I buy coins munchkin?
Seems like there is a dealer out there that **specializes ** in that
......and my eyes
Used to....try... with one Bozo.
He was one of 2 locals when I first started.
Whenever he would get something REALLY nice, he would "save" it for Billy Hall who had nice coins but he could have got WAY more from me.
He did it so Bill would tell people how great "George in Stockton's" coins were.
Silly, and we finally had words.
Yes. Some are taller and some are shorter so we don't see eye-to-eye. Otherwise, only the coin matters.
Quite a few B&M's I have visited would have this sign prominently displayed and it was NOT based on race, religion, sexual orientation, politics, etc etc but rather simply weather or not you were an A$$hole
Steve
In my work that is called elevator eyes and can be a sexual harassment case. But as for coins I can take all kinds of crap as long as I get that coin...... That is my goal my mission and till then I will not have completed my tasked in hand... But that is just me Dumb Type2 trying to stay focus.
Hoard the keys.
I have no problem dealing with most people, but some can just rub me the wrong way and those are the ones I avoid. I avoid one table at the local shows because the women has a terrible attitude and is nasty towards her customers and that just rubs me the wrong way.
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There’s more than 1 dealer here that I will not buy from due to some of their posts here. Well, unless I can rip him.
Hmmm....
the idiot that almost runs into the pole actually accelerates after he leave the board
I have a few numismatic "war" stories (both dealers and customers) and actually wrote a few articles about some of the more memorable dealings I've had (they are also posted on my website). This is one I wrote about that happened several years ago (hence, the "blackberry" reference in the article).
I called this one “Mr. Impatient”
Let me begin with a little historical background. Mr. Impatient had bought some coins from me over the past couple years with no issues at all. Then one day I happened to win a coin he was selling on an Ebay auction. I promptly sent my PayPal payment, received the coin a short time later, no problem. A couple days after I received the coin, Mr. Impatient sent me a message through Ebay asking me to leave feedback. I responded that I would be happy to do so, however, I explained that it was my practice to leave feedback in bulk a couple times a month and that it might take a week or two, but I would get to it.
Two days later out of the blue, he sent me another message informing me that, since I wouldn’t leave him immediate feedback, he had “blocked” me as a bidder on his future auctions. “Wow,” I thought, “this guy was pretty impatient and in my opinion was ‘cutting off his nose to spite his face.’” I could understand blocking a bidder because they didn’t send payment, or took too long to send payment, but I’d never heard of someone blocking a bidder just because they wouldn’t leave prompt feedback. “Oh well,” I said to myself, “he’s not the kind of guy I’d want to continue doing business with any way if that’s all it took to get him peeved.”
Ok, fast forward a year later. Mr. Impatient saw a coin on my website he wanted to buy and emailed me asking for my best price. Well, I am taken aback to hear from this guy. If it was me, and I felt strongly enough to actually bar someone from bidding on my coins, you can bet I wouldn’t want to do any kind of business with that person. But I thought, hey, let bygones be bygones, and decided to forget about the past incident and I gave him a reduced price for the coin.
He agreed to buy it, but then began asking for “extras” like wanting a larger photo of the coin, could I send the coin to Rick Snow to Photo Seal, and a couple other “requests.” I emailed him that he could enlarge and copy the photo off my website, and I also offered as a friendly courtesy, that since I would be seeing Rick at an upcoming show, I could hand the coin to Rick at the show, thereby saving Mr. Impatient the to/from shipping costs, however, he’d still have to pay Rick’s $15 Photo Seal fee. He said ok and mailed a check.
In the meantime, since Mr. Impatient knew who had taken the picture of my coin (I’ll call him “Mr. Photo Guy”), Mr. Impatient contacted him directly and asked Mr. Photo Guy to send him a larger image (even though Mr. Photo Guy did accommodate Mr. Impatient, I personally thought this was out of line since Mr. Impatient was asking Mr. Photo Guy (behind my back) to spend his time editing the photo to suit Mr. Impatient without even offering to compensate Mr. Photo Guy). “Hmmm,” I thought, as a little warning bell began to ring and I started to feel I should have declined to deal with this guy from the beginning.
Shortly after that, Mr. Impatient decided he didn’t want to wait for me to take the coin to Rick but instead requested that I mail it directly to him. Well, Mr. Photo Guy still had the coin in his possession and was going to bring it to the same show Rick and I were attending, so now I had to ask Mr. Photo Guy if he would ship the coin to Mr. Impatient for me and I would reimburse him. “No problem,” Mr. Photo Guy said so I gave him the address and he shipped the coin by insured first class to Mr. Impatient for me. I then contacted Mr. Impatient to advise him that Mr. Photo Guy would be shipping the coin to him directly.
A week later (on a Friday), Mr. Impatient (who lived across the country) emailed me that he had not yet received the coin. I was in my car driving to a coin show at the time I received his message on my Blackberry (my son read it to me), so I had to contact Mr. Photo Guy and ask him if he would respond to Mr. Impatient’s email with the shipping date and tracking information, which he promptly did letting Mr. Impatient know that no tracking information was available at that time.
The next day (Saturday) while I’m at the show, I got a very rude and condescending email from Mr. Impatient questioning my professional reputation, asking why I did not respond to him personally about the coin’s whereabouts, that even though Mr. Photo Guy contacted him, why didn’t I care enough about his concerns to reply myself, etc.
“Wow,” I thought, “This guy really did have some issues.” Ok, I’ll admit that I probably could have replied directly to Mr. Impatient letting him know Mr. Photo Guy would follow up with shipping status, but since I was driving at the time I thought asking Mr. Photo Guy to respond was the most expeditious way of handling his request.
So I bit my tongue, swallowed the unlady-like words I wanted to type, and responded professionally explaining to him that I was driving at the time I received his message, Mr. Photo Guy had the information, that the post office was pretty slow lately, that I was sure the coin would arrive within a couple days, but that the coin was insured and he should try and be a little patient. He replied the next day, without any apology for his nasty email, stating that he would wait and be hopeful. I was later informed the coin finally arrived two days later on Monday.
The icing on the cake of this story is that I later learned (not from Mr. Impatient, but from a third party) that on the SAME day Mr. Impatient sent me his ranting email (Saturday), he had received a pink slip from the post office letting him know they tried to deliver the coin but that no one was home, and they would try again on Monday! “OMG!” is all I could say when I learned this. After all the hubbub trying to track the coin -- the emails, my phone calls with Mr. Photo Guy, all of the worrying about the coin, etc. -- why didn’t Mr. Impatient send me (and Mr. Photo Guy) a message letting us know that the coin was waiting for him at HIS post office – not to mention an kind apology would have been appreciated!
And the story doesn’t quite end here. After Mr. Impatient got the coin, he sent me an email letting me know he was quite pleased with it but also wanted his $15 Photo Seal fee returned. (I had planned to use it to reimburse Mr. Photo Guy for the shipping fee.) Again, I was shaking my head that, after all this guy put me and Mr. Photo Guy through, he wasn’t through “badgering” me.
Of course, I could have simply just refunded him the $15 and avoided all further conflict and put an end to the whole deal, but I was finished bending over backwards and couldn’t let this pass. So I sent him an email reminding him that I had to reimburse Mr. Photo Guy for shipping the coin to him. He responding saying that he didn’t feel he had to pay any shipping fee since he felt the original (reduced) price I quoted him for the coin should have included the shipping fee. I reminded him that my website clearly states the buyer pays for all shipping costs, and besides, we had never even gotten to the point of discussing the amount of the shipping since I had (graciously I thought) offered to hand carry the coin to Rick. He said that I should do whatever I felt was fair, so I did! After paying Mr. Photo Guy what I owed him, I refunded Mr. Impatient a few dollars and, for my own sanity, I promptly ceased all further communication with him. Geese, some people…..
The Penny Lady®
Charmy---I'm curious. How expensive was this coin? Are we talking a couple hundred or several thousand? Are you going to allow this high maintenance customer to buy any more of your coins? Unfortunately I know more than a few coin collectors with OCD like this one.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Charmy @ThePennyLady . Just .... wow. No good deed goes unpunished. I have some war stories too, and some of them (unfortunately) involve people on this forum. But my blood pressure would just start to rise. Some people are just ... needy.
Anyway, thanks for all you do, for me and for lots of other collectors and dealers.
Kind regards,
George