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Our coinage designs send messages to the World, but so do our actions.
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The message is to use the front door.
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Here we go again. Another political thread disguised as a coin thread.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
it's actually a coin thread interpreted as a Political thread, but yes, here you go again.
As self-absorbed numismatists we want to think people pay attention to coin designs. Well ... they don't. Ask the average person what designs are on our coins and most will blankly stare back at you. Ask them the meaning of what is on our coins and they will look at you as if you are speaking in tongues. A very common answer is, "I don't care, as long as I can spend it." I know ... I used to ask people.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Freedom is not free. That's my 2 cents, er 1.50 cents...
Since all the statue of liberty issues are just bullion , that seems to show what people think of the idea.
Like most establishments... we have a front door and a back door. Cheers, RickO
Ellis Island was a checkpoint, not an open door. Not everyone who applied there gained entry. Criminals and others who were deemed undesirable were not allowed to enter.
And then we have home invasions.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
I guess as a Nation we should take more responsibility for problems we have helped create. there are several problems we have been battling since I was old enough to vote and one of them is the Drug epidemic which has only gotten worse over the years. another is our penchant for inciting upheaval in other Sovereign Nations where we believe there should be Democracy. there are consequences for such actions by Elected Officials who probably don't know what our coinage says, that we are an open door to oppressed people of the World, it's sort of an American foundational concept. it is no use to discuss the hows/wheres/whens/whos of a problem if we won't accept the ramifications. I wonder, is it too harsh to use the genocide??
the talk of front doors is convenient, but when you're trying to escape a fire I don't think that's a paramount concern, when you're looking o escape injustice I don't think you really care if you come in a window.
poor u.s. because we have become an oppressor on both sides of an equation whose answer is apparently zero.
We are what we eat. Check out the fat at the midsection, for details.
We created these problems on purpose , and things are going just the way they were planned. We have never encouraged democracy in the rest of the world just death and destruction. Death is good business for those that own our government
So, you now admit that this is actually a political thread.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
So enforcing our sovereign nations border is oppressive now? Is Mexico oppressive or how about Canada? Is it OK for them to enforce their borders, but not ours? I don't recall hearing you complain about their immigration and border protection rules under the Obama administration when they had 90,000 children in detention centers:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/country-lost-kids
Instead of spouting your opinion here, why don't you take your own advice of "taking responsibility" and sell your coin collection and take in 10 children from Latin America and take care of them for the rest of their lives? Go save the children from "oppression" and "injustice"!
These are the American citizens who were separated from THEIR families permanently:
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens
It is a common misconception that the United States is infinitely wealthy and can fix all of the world’s problems. It isn’t, and prosperity can vanish much more quickly than most people might believe. I’ve learned from experience that it’s a lot easier to get poor than it is get rich. It’s also a lot harder to get the economy to work that it is to wreck it. Just look at Venezuela. It is sitting on some of the biggest oil reserves in the world and yet it can’t even supply its people with the basic necessities.
My wife and I were discussing a major problem that we going to face in the next ten to twenty years. What are we going to do with the millions of retirees who are saving nothing for the time when they can no longer work? Defined pension plans are thing of the past. All most companies offer is a 401 k, and to get that work, you have put some of your current earnings in it. In addition, it’s all too easy to raid that fund to pay for current wants and expenses, despite the penalties for doing so. Too many people are living from pay check to pay check and have no savings. Too few people are planning for retirement.
Social Security is underfunded and the demographics for funding it are not promising. There are too many recipients and not enough tax payers. Medicare is facing even more difficult funding problems.
The United States cannot afford to solve all of the world’s problems and neither can any other nation. Immigration needs to be an orderly and organized process. We can’t take everyone, and we most certainly are under no obligation to take criminals, terrorists and other people who are dead weight in society.
Yes, economics tells us that a nation benefits from taking in productive immigrants. New people make the future, but the key word is productive.
Dave, I volunteered four years of my life, that was enough and valued at more than my collection.
Perry, I only replied to other posts.
Bill, SS isn't under-funded but our Uncle has raided it to serve other purposes such as the magic balanced budget around 2000. past that you didn't post much I can disagree with.
bronco, in a sinister way you are right.
If you don't want to go to jail, don't commit any crimes -
If you don't want to be separated from your children, don't cross the border illegally -
Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack
Stop with the politics already.
Since Mexico beat Germany in the first match of the World Cup, we should annex it. Then we could be winners.
Ooops, sorry. This is sports related.
while our doors have closed at various times in our History they have always swung back open.
The whole WORLD is WATCHING.
When the Attorney General has to go on television to explain the subtle differences between the actions of the United States of America and the actions of Nazi Germany, as Sessions did last night, we should all weep for what we have become.
The sentiment expressed on the coins above is one of the things that makes the US a great nation. Whatever our immigration policy, it needs somehow to preserve this ideal.
the coins posted by the OP say it all!!!!! what happened??
What crime?
easy solution: make it legal and subject to having a clean record instead of having a blanket NO.
They and their kids will pay your future pension! oh... yeah... WHAT pension?
since when is it a crime trying to escape poverty and want a better life... legally?
Just wondering who will clean and maintain your riding stables, your sewers and and toilets when they need cleaning?
The average American will say: not my job. I can afford to hire somebody for that.
However, most of the "illegals" will happily do your dirty work for minimum wages without complaining. It feeds his family!!
Beginning in 1875, the United States forbids prostitutes and criminals from entering the country. The Chinese Exclusion Act is passed in 1882. Also restricted are “lunatics” and “idiots.”
https://history.com/topics/ellis-island
Asylum from a system that adopted payola by its enforcers of law. Tear down that wall ! Seems as if they're the same system.
America is cracking at our foundation ...... as the World Watches, the United States of America commits government sanctioned CHILD ABUSE.
SHAME on the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Take back the Great USA from the Racists, please vote against Racism!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This all about Racism ........ just look at who disagrees with this post ......
The war on drugs is working as designed. The english addicted all of China to opium to steal their silver , they showed us the way and we one upped them . Here addiction is the one thing we didn't choose to outsource to China. We attacked Afghanistan to make sure there was enough opium available to murder half a generation of americans. Think about it , every addict that dies removes himself from the present population and snuffs out every descendant he was unable to create. While the addict is still alive though , the big pharma companies get to treat them for addictions they created and bill the tax payers and insurance companies a fortune in fiat dollars .
The personal toll , 3 addicts in my family , one lost , 1 recovered , and one twisting in the wind still too close to call. All millennials . The outlook is bleak for that age group , even the ones who avoid opiods are so glued to their Iphones they will forget to reproduce.
If it keeps up at this pace we might need unlimited immigration just to keep a level population.
Except...maybe a billion folks in the world who never heard about PCGS.com.
They'll find us eventually, on Google.
This thread was nothing but a provocation from the beginning. I hope it gets taken down as soon as possible.
You are so far off to the left it is scary. You think we have no drug problem, no terrorist problem. You think everyone coming across the boarders are fine people and should just be left alone! Get your head out of the sand man! Seriously you need help. You need to open your eyes and see what is really going on! Get help please!!!!
What we used to be was an example and beacon of hope for the world, inspiring others. Now, for too many, we are just a destination for free stuff.
Instead of solving problems in their own countries, too many people just want to leave. Does anyone ever wonder what those other countries are doomed to become once an entire generation or two escapes to go elsewhere?
The late economist Milton Friedman once said. "We can have open borders or a welfare state, but not both". The reasons should be obvious.
Boy did you hit the nail on the head!
Yes, it is much easier to break things than to build.
Most of the world enforces their immigration laws far more strictly then we do. When I my wife and I vacationed in Jamaica many years ago, you had to provide documentation and show a passport. If you didn’t have a passport, you were sent home. I saw it happen. I have no idea how those people got on the plane, but they did.
The documentation requited you to state how long you were going to stay, what the purpose of your visit was, where you were going to stay and when you were leaving. Most countries don’t take kindly to those who over stay their visas. Mexico is only one example.
The same was true for the other Caribbean islands we visited.
If Americans decided to just run away to other countries no one would take any of us either.
We would be locked up exactly the same way. Look over to the Mediterranean Sea all those boatloads of people trying to roost in Italy , France tells Italy they should be ashamed for turning them away , but they don't want them either.
On the other hand if we were not constantly dropping bombs on their heads for the last 50 years they would probably just stay home.
I didn't realize we were bombing Central America for the last 50 years. You learn something new here every day.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
Just who have we been dropping bombs on for the last 50 years. That would be 1968 to date. Other than those who were responsible for 9-11 who would these people be????
Actually, if you coughed at Ellis Island, they would send you back for fear of disease.
Problems with diseases were much worse at that time. The flu killed millions of people in 1918. Doctors didn’t now much about how to deal with it, except by quarantining those who were ill.
Oh, I agree. I wasn't suggesting using the same standard. My only point is that the US has NEVER had open borders. I don't know of any nation that does have completely open borders.
When my great grandparents emigrated in the 1910s, my great grandfather came by himself and worked in labor camps for 10 years, gradually bringing over the older sons to work and only at the end bringing the girls and my great-grandmother. That story is not unique. The borders weren't open, you needed to have a sponsor and show means of support. It was a long grueling process.
It is nostalgic historic revisionism - or fake news, as we call it today - that Ellis Island was a welcoming place for everyone who wanted to come.
The Statue of Liberty / Ellis Island coin has the flowery language on it that has never been true, but the situation with immigration has gotten markedly better than it was in the 19th century. Back then the Chinese were treated very poorly and there was a third political party, the American Party, or “Know Nothings” who advocated very stringent laws for immigrates. You had to live here for 20 years before you could become a citizen, and during that time your civil rights were very limited.
Here is a Henry Clay piece from the 1844 presidential campaign.
I forsee another thread going POOF before too long.
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Quite true, but the sad part is you can post an educational item and get very few responses or no responses and very few views. I've been running series on British kings in the Foreign section, but there is not much interest. Ditto for the essay I posted on quarters this morning. Stuff like this gets people going.
Attention PCGS, this thread has now cost you a little of $120, as I tore up my submission forms for 5 coins I was sending in today. If you want to grade coins, great. If you want to be another political forum for either side, then fine, NGC works fine for me.
We are dropping bombs on Isis (which didn't exist on 9/11/01) and the Taliban, who had nothing to do with 9/11, to name a couple. I'm not saying these groups don't deserve it, just that our military endeavors today have little to do with 9/11 anymore.
As a numismatist, I have to wonder if all of those bomb craters along the old silk road have uncovered any coin hoards. I would think that region would be a dream for the metal detector enthusiast.
There is a solution. You can ignore it.
Down there we don't bomb directly , we spread money around to incite rebellions then sell arms to both sides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
I have reported @ErrorsOnCoins. This kind of childish nonsense (disagreeing to be disagreeable) should not be tolerated around here!
This statement is true and cannot be disagreed with. We learn from reading the posts of others here. Most of the time, there are two sides to a post that can be debated. IMO, anyone who disagrees with a post such as this is a BIG PROBLEM to this forum and to the USA!
Unfortunately, many citizens of our country are extremely uninformed. A country w/o borders and laws is just another outcrop in the ocean. The history of the world proves it will not last.
Not if people play nice...and @BillJones keeps posting pretty coin/token pictures.