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PCGS is not grading on site at Central States. Neither is NGC. Why ?
STEWARTBLAYNUMIS
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Both services use to grade at Central States. What happened ?
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STEWARTBLAYNUMIS
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Only they know for sure. Is it possible the Central States show has now declined in importance to the point that the grading services no longer consider it to be worth the cost of attending?
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Guess you'll have to go to Las Vegas.
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Well said
Are they going to be there to take submissions?
@DIMEMAN said:
Yes.
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Good....I have some varieties to turn in for attribution.
On-site grading is expensive; but both will have a table correct?
How has attendance at Central States been holding up?
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sadly CSNS has declined to the point it is just a bigger regional show. hey, your pal Tony is skipping it for another show-and we all know he never misses a decent show.
if it was not for heritage auction, I would not go
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What are some of the reasons for the decline? Is there any way to turn it around?
NGC once went through with me all the steps necessary for them to do onsite grading. Probably a $50K commitment for uncertain yields. It's tough to run a grading company and make money at it.
bad location. by o hare was easy in and out. I've never seen any public at this location
these days, if it is a not FUN, ANA, Long Beach, and winter Baltimore (they have one too many), shows are not a draw really
CSNS used to be pretty fraternal in nature, and most such organizations are in decline. The idea that a multi-state membership organization constantly utilizes a single venue/small area doesn't really help the organization either, even if the venue is centrally located for that geographical area.
It's been in Chicago way too long!!
If they still treat people the way they did when I went as a dealer the 1st time and only time... I am not surprised at all and Kudos to the Karma!
Central states?? Northern states, Southern states; what about eastern and western states??? Let's make Canada pay for it. It will be like Bigly. lulz
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I like Rosemont better than Schaumburg. Does Chicago really need two?
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NGC does not grade at many shows. In fact ANA is the only one for the remainder of the year. I have not seen them onsite grade at Central States in the last few years. (Not sure if they ever did?)
It stinks that PCGS is not grading here!
This: > @BillDugan1959 said:
and this:
A lot of folks like to sight see new places while attending conventions. I've had enough of Chicago.
A lot of dealers bail Friday night.... Saturday am
Nobody graded at ANA National Money Show last month. Too small...
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PCGS has scheduled two members only shows around it, so it's not necessary for them.
While the hotel and convention center are beautiful and great (except that they only serve Pepsi), Schaumburg leaves a lot to be desired as a location for collectors apparently. Rotating the show once again would likely be a good idea, but Chicago is getting played out by ANA/CSNS, etc...
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You can never have enough shows in Rosemont! Its so easy access to O hare. Easy in, easy out.
Good maybe their turnaround times will be reduced by not attending all the shows.
I'll be attending CSNS for the firs time this year, so I hope it's not a bust. What's frustrating is that every show PCGS/NGC attends - or even major shows for that matter - are located at the extreme edges of the continental U.S. You want better turnout, host a show somewhere in the Midwest and see what happens. There's not a single one of those shows in the box below. In fact, except for Las Vegas and San Antonio, every one of these shows is within 30 miles of the edge of the U.S.
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That is a gripe of mine too and I've been saying this for years. How about the fact that these major shows rarely change locations outside of socal, central FL and mid-Atlantic states (mainly Baltimore)?
Why are cities like: Boston, Nashville, Seattle/Portland, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Nashville or Atlanta never considered as a new show location? No one wants to try to get new blood into the hobby? Yet people wonder why these shows become STALE with the same dealers, public and have an overall downward trend for attendance.
I agreed....who likes sending 4, 5 even 6 figure coins in the mail. And I really don't have 1-2 grand to fly or own a car that I would trust would survive the drive.
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The common dealer whine has been:
Etc etc etc.
I traveled to Long Beach one year, to Florida another. Sure, I liked both, but, the cost to me, as a simple collector, made it to where I either turned it into a family vacation, to justify the costs (which weren't insignificant) or it simply hit the wallet hard and impacted what I would be spending on the bourse. Add to that the actual time to fly there, hit the bourse, fly back, etc, and I am somewhat stuck doing the local shows.
Then, as you allude to, there is the complaint that attendance is down and there is no real new blood in the hobby. Catch-22
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Kinda bummed about this. I use the CSNS show to stock up on blue boxes that are discarded during the show. I seldom do show grading myself, though. The people that will probably complain the most will complain that they won't be able to complain about crappy grades.
I don't know how much it costs to send a grading team and equipment to a show, but if doing so isn't a money maker, based on the recent performance of CLCT, such a trip deserves a second look.
Another reason might be that there's no well-timed label promotion to coincide with the show. Special show labels have to be a real cash cow when they can do them.
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I’m sooo glad they started doing member shows in New Orleans. It’s close and fun for me. Las Vegas is what it is ...
If driving from Indy to Schaumburg--how is traffic near Chicago? Does the route take you away from the city?
Meh. If the middle of the country is such prime territory for a show, launch it yourself and reap big bucks. Knock yourself out and good luck.
Much easier to complain about where other organizers locate their shows, right?
The problem with the Baltimore show is that it's always in Baltimore. How come they can't have the Baltimore show in Kalamazoo?
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Whitman had a show in Nashville in 2010 and it was a bust. It did not help that there was a 100 year flood just a few days before.
Simple they think they won't make enouph, or even any money.
Why not have the Baltimore show in Washington or National Harbor, just outside of the city?
The big gap on the map is population density driven. A big coin show in Iowa is going to draw soy beans.
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Are shows for collectors or dealers? Given the tendency that many dealers leave early, it appears that the shows are mainly for their benefit. Therefore, cities with lots of direct flights and/or being near their base is likely the driver for site selection.
@BStrauss3 said: "Nobody graded at ANA National Money Show last month. Too small..."
There is probably a good reason for that as the folks running a coin show can do it "right" and make the show profitable (money is only one thing) and enjoyable for everyone. The ANA has a long history of screw-ups. I've heard they are still selling tables for a hundred dollars and putting those folks next to dealers paying ten times that.
Probably just a rumor.
For what it is worth, one major TPGS has only attended one ANA Show (FL) due to the unbelievably shoddy way they were treated in Chicago a few years back. I'm a life member of ANA so I will not elaborated what was done as no one would believe the things I could write. If Mike Ellis (former ANA Governor) had not stepped in (on the QT) they would not have had chairs at the table, no cases, Oops...I started. Possibly wouldn't have mattered as they left that grading service out of the show program and put them far across the hall and away from the other three services grouped together. When the graders arrived at the show, at first they were told they didn't even have a table! Must be signs that at least one TPGS is making waves for the grading service that bought off our national organization.
@BStrauss3 said: "Nobody graded at ANA National Money Show last month. Too small..."
There is probably a good reason for that as the folks running a coin show can do it "right" and make the show profitable (money is only one thing) and enjoyable for everyone. The ANA has a long history of screw-ups. I've heard they are still selling tables for a hundred dollars and putting those folks next to dealers paying ten times that.
Probably just a rumor.
For what it is worth, one major TPGS has only attended one ANA Show (FL) due to the unbelievably shoddy way they were treated in Chicago a few years back. I'm a life member of ANA so I will not elaborated what was done as no one would believe the things I could write. If Mike Ellis (former ANA Governor) had not stepped in (on the QT) they would not have had chairs at the table, no cases, Oops...I started. Possibly wouldn't have mattered as they left that grading service out of the show program and put them far across the hall and away from the other three services grouped together. When the graders arrived at the show, at first they were told they didn't even have a table! Must be signs that at least one TPGS is making waves for the grading service that bought off our national organization.