Ever resubmit a CAC "fail" and get a sticker the ....next time?
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It's prompted by a different thread...
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/997463/has-anyone-sent-an-ngc-cac-in-for-crossover#latest
plus a concern of my own.
I have a couple of coins I would....LIKE.... to send in. But I don't want them "tainted" as fails (if they did) on a cert check.
So here's these coins that "look" perfectly acceptable and even better.....BUT..... from past results that defied my expectations I don't think I have any idea what ...EXACTLY... CAC looks for.
One coin is (what I see as) perfectly toned circ silver
The other is ..... uh-oh... GOLD. 
So, long and short of it....have you ever had a fail that passed on a resubmission that got a new "number?"
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If you haven't tried this experiment, you can answer what your "opinion" might be.
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I want to vote but neither option applies to me, so your poll is skewed one vote now.
I haven't submitted to CAC. I had a dream I did that, once. It was more militant than the Army. (in my dream, that is). And that dream led me to resist. So I have, and I'm happy. Poorer, but happy.
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I offered to edit, but that would skew it worse.
If you're not worried about the option you would like, go ahead and post it.
Then we can shoot you.
I have sent in a couple which I thought were "overlooked", and they came back "bean-less" as well.
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I have had both options happen to me.
Doesn't CAC keeps a registry? A coin that fails will never get a bean if it remains in the same holder. You'd have to crack it out and get it re-holdered at a TPGS first, then submit to CAC.
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I have seen a few coins such as you describe. And with no doubt they were the same coins graded a point higher and CACed.
I've had a couple that got resubmitted by mistake. Per a phone convo with JA, they don't automatically get rejected and he said that they were always willing to give something a second look. IIRC the second look wasn't supposed to be free for collectors.
My only experience was with a walker that was in an older NGC holder, it failed in that holder. Then I crossed the coin to our hosts at the same grade and sent it back to CAC were it subsequently was approved. I will say the PCGS holder did make the coin look better than the older NGC holder.
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The material I do is either bullion, Currency, USGTC Workd close to melt or numismatic coins under $300 so no reason for me submit to them / spend money on that which biz has to recover. At shows a lot of them not payers if have pay extra 4cac.
On some big ticket coin would try no matter what and repeat until convinced hopeless. Furthermore bean means nothin if they don’t want coin or have big money / pay cac money.
That's why I specified reSUBMIT. to get a new number.
Unless of course JA memorizes every coin he's ever seen.
As long as humans are setting the standards and doing the work, these things will happen.
i think the value you put on the coin has something to do with the sticker outcome.
Failed certifications can't be publicly verified (only those that pass can), thus they cannot be "tainted" unless this occurs in your own mind (since you would be aware of your own submission outcomes).
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CAC records cert numbers, but what you wrote is not correct. They (CAC) will look at a coin a second time while still in the same holder and will, at their discretion and if they believe it to be the most correct course of action, award a bean the second time.
I've had one coin fail the CAC process that I brought back to CAC somewhat later and even wrote on the form "this coin failed to earn a CAC sticker the first time I submitted it, but I believe it deserves a CAC sticker". The coin was in the same holder as its previous visit. Upon my second submission to CAC the coin earned a CAC green sticker and JA came out to tell me why it had failed the first time and how the CAC thinking on the coin had changed the second time.
I've also had one coin fail the CAC process that I brought back to CAC and wrote a note, as above, where the coin failed the second time and JA wrote me a short, kind note as to what the CAC thinking was that kept the coin sticker-less.
I have found CAC to be extremely responsive to my questions and the folks there to be happy to discuss coins and issues.
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never tried to do that here either. no poll taken here as well.
I can answer both of you at the same time. I had a coin not too long ago, it was an 1882-CC Morgan in a PCGS OGH graded MS-63. I sent it in expecting it to get a gold bean. I fortunately had requested notes to be taken on it. After getting it back with a green bean and a note to call John Albanese, I gave him a call. He was very helpful and nice. He explained that my particular coin was very nice for the grade, but not quite gold bean worthy. He explained that if I cracked it and got it regraded as a 64 they would still give it a green bean at that next grade. He then qualified the gold bean by explaining that for my coin to have received a gold bean it would really need to be a 64.9 in their eye's. It needs to be almost two full grades under graded to get the gold bean. I told him that that explains why I have seen a few coins with a green bean that then receive a green bean at the next grade up. It does not happen too often, but it does happen.
I've kept that information in the back of my mind ever since then. This explains why there are so few gold beans and why there are coins that still green bean at the next grade higher, yet did not gold at the previous grade.
Thanks very much for the info jtlee321. It really clarified the "gold bean" situation for me, very good to know.
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Yes, and it beaned on the second submission.
It also says this in their FAQ section. #7
http://www.caccoin.com/faqs/
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I suspect that it happens or no one would bother. If you truly belief that the coin is worth the try. Why not. I used to put my tongue on the 9 volt battery to see if it would shock me. Sometimes it did, sometimes it did not. Hmm I have not tried that in a while.
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I've tried with 3 coins and all 3 failed on the second attempt as well. You'd think I'd stop trying but I think I have a 4th attempt coming up.
Just keep cracking, resubmitting and spending more and more money, eventually if you spend enough you will get stickers.
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I agree 100%. I had a coin in an NGC slab that didn’t CAC. I crossed it into a PCGS for registry purposes. It crossed AND upgraded. Sent it back and it then got a CAC sticker. Go figure. Human beings, human error
Sure. I had a seated dollar in PCGS AU50 that didn't bean. It upgraded on a regrade submission to PCGS AU53 and it beaned. The first holder was a bit beat up so..... no worries. I also submitted a Peace dollar that had been in a beaned holder, cracked, resubmitted (with no upgrade) and then sold to me. I sent it to CAC & no sticker. I sent it back with a note, asking them to take another look and this time, voila - green sticker.
All kinds of crazy stuff happens. It’s just opinions and those change all the time. Coins that I sell, I once liked enough to buy. People change what they like, the light is different on a different day, stuff gets overlooked. Informed opinions are the best we’ve got and even the best of those aren’t consistent. Some coins are slam-dunk no and some are slam-dunk yes. The others live in a gray zone where “it depends.”
I thought maybe you didn't get the sticker the 2nd time because you forgot to tape a red rose and a $100 bill to the note.
Ive herd others say 1.9 points and other factors to get awarded a gold
I was flying over Illinois when I read this and voted 7 times
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Yes, on a few coins over the years.
Oh, and the one early Walker from my Levoi set that didn't bean is now in a dealer's inventory and stickered so it happens. Always loved that coin and thought someone got it cheap when I auctioned my Walkers.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
I submitted a nice high grade Saint that didn't sticker. I called John and he suggested that I send it back in for them to take another look. This time it returned with a fresh green sticker. Afterward John told me that my coin was a close call on the first attempt but its eye appeal carried it through on the second try. I would imagine there are plenty of nice coins for the grade that just don't measure up to their standards but at least a few will ultimately get a sticker.
Just to add to the discussion, remember, we are dealing with opinions, not standards. So, of course there will be situations as described.... it should not be a surprise to anyone. Cheers, RickO