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Anyone want to guess the TPG grade of this new add?

burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 5, 2018 6:49AM in U.S. Coin Forum

1851 Large Cent:


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    halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭

    40 would be my WAG.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2018 7:11AM

    @halfhunter said:
    40 would be my WAG.

    Thanks for the WAG! Do you think it is straight or details graded?

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2018 7:34AM

    If it's genuine, my grade would be VF-30, but I don't think that it is real. The deticals at the bottom of the obverse and reverse look odd and uneven, and the weakness in the date area and other strike weaknesses concern me. I am also not a big fan of the planchet defect at 8k on the obverse.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It seems like this thread has disappeared. Here are photos of a Mint State example that is genunine. Compare!


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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess is genuine, based on the dirt and crust....but maybe they've learned to fake that now.

    VF30 details, I really hope it didn't straight grade with the various rim and surface issues.

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF35, details.
    As @WalkerGuy21D said, there are a lot of rim bumps/bruises/ticks.....too many for a straight grade if I was the finalizer.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Didn't mean for the thread to have disappeared!

    So, thanks for all the responses- this image my start another discussion!

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No bean for that one - ugh!

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Didn't think it would go that high. I was only off by half a grade, though.

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another slabbed fake. ugh Even I can detect that one and didn't even take the full 6 seconds lol

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:
    Another slabbed fake. ugh Even I can detect that one and didn't even take the full 6 seconds lol

    It's not fake, it's just kind of rough to be in a straight graded holder.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    denticles look like this one

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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭

    I'd say a silent net grade to like 30.

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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2018 10:29PM

    Ugh, looked like I failed there, or NGC has gotten AWFUL loose. I'd sure wanna see some luster on a 40 with edge issues like that one. I can see a 35, but I'm scratching my head on a 40.

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,284 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks more vf30 than xf40.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From my post on the EAC site the "netted" grade range was VG-10 to VF-20...

    No one liked it for the certed straight grade.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A tough EAC grader like Bob Grellman would be brutal on that coin....

    I'm as much mystified by the grade as by the fact someone even sent it in, unless they needed to round out a submission - but to each his own, and it looks like it worked out well for the submitter - at least 'on paper' anyway.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have said VF30... but not details since the rim issue seems to be a planchet problem...Kind of a flaky coin IMO... Cheers, RickO

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,446 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess was VF25. They were generous with that one. :D

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