Contemporary Counterfeit...or not?

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  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2018 11:21AM
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    Modern, unfortunately. Unless it's a new discovery. :o

    It's not in Davignon's book.

    Wouldn't it be something if the Chinese started making counterfeit contemporary counterfeits?
    Lance.

    WAIT...looks like an O.102.

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  • Kkathyl
    Kkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    how did you come to have this coin

    Best place to buy !
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  • coin22lover
    coin22lover Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2018 11:20AM
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    @lkeigwin said:
    Modern, unfortunately. Unless it's a new discovery. :o

    It's not in Davignon's book.

    Wouldn't it be something if the Chinese started making counterfeit contemporary counterfeits?
    Lance.

    WAIT...looks like an O.102.

    I think these aren't in the book...look at the 6th one down in the 1832's
    http://www.cccbhcc.com/new-discoveries.html#1832 20U

    At first I was debating as to whether it was just a weird looking genuine coin..

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2018 11:27AM
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    @lkeigwin said:
    Modern, unfortunately. Unless it's a new discovery. :o

    It's not in Davignon's book.

    Wouldn't it be something if the Chinese started making counterfeit contemporary counterfeits?
    Lance.

    ...and what do you base this on? There may be a good reason it is not in that book! It looks like a circulated genuine coin. O-113. What do you think?

  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not O.113. The 5 in the denomination doesn't line up with the arrow feathers.
    Lance.

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  • coin22lover
    coin22lover Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭
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    @Insider2 said:

    @lkeigwin said:
    Modern, unfortunately. Unless it's a new discovery. :o

    It's not in Davignon's book.

    Wouldn't it be something if the Chinese started making counterfeit contemporary counterfeits?
    Lance.

    ...and what do you base this on? There may be a good reason it is not in that book! It looks like a circulated genuine coin. O-113. What do you think?

    Genuine is possible, I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I can't tell. But it's def. not an O-113.

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2018 11:35AM
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    @lkeigwin said: "WAIT...looks like an O.102."

    Guess what WE have discovered?

    In the Overton book 1832 O-102 with Rev B and 1832 O-113 with Rev J show the identical reverse die from what I see. The obverse looks similar too . Different die states for identical coins? HELP

    Calling all Capped Bust Half dollar experts! What do you think.

    On O-102 Obverse, the 8 is slightly recut and the 8th star "looks" slightly closer to the cap.

  • coin22lover
    coin22lover Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭
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    No the O-102 and O-113 have different reverses. I think you're thinking that because of the arrowheads.

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Show me the PUP please. The arrows and "tine" from the wing, etc look identical to me.

  • coin22lover
    coin22lover Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭
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    @Insider2 said:
    Show me the PUP please. The arrows and "tine" from the wing, etc look identical to me.

    Look at the 2nd T in states

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I did. it is washed out on O-113. I'll check the net.

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2018 12:11PM
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    I'm still confused. The PCGS coin image of O-113 does not show the crude arrows. I'll look again.

    IMO, the 4th edition of Overton has the incorrect reverse image on pp#603. Reverse B is shown as reverse J.

    Is this correct? Need to make a note in my book.

  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here is an overlay of the OP coin and a graded, attributed O.102.

    I can make it prettier but this does the job.
    Lance.


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  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Insider2 said:
    @lkeigwin said: "WAIT...looks like an O.102."

    Guess what WE have discovered?

    In the Overton book 1832 O-102 with Rev B and 1832 O-113 with Rev J show the identical reverse die from what I see. The obverse looks similar too . Different die states for identical coins? HELP

    Calling all Capped Bust Half dollar experts! What do you think.

    On O-102 Obverse, the 8 is slightly recut and the 8th star "looks" slightly closer to the cap.

    They're not identical. They are different reverse dies, which is why they have different names. I already pointed out one obvious difference. The O.113 reverse die never remarried (though the obverse went on to coin the O.114).

    The reverse die for the O.102 was later used on the O.101 and not again.
    Lance.

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  • LoveMyLiberty
    LoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2018 2:28PM
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    I'll stick my nose in this discussion. Why I don't know!

    Here is O-102

    Here is O-113

    For O-102 the A2 is higher than the adjacent base of M.
    and the flag of the five is only half under the arr. feathers
    and the zero leans a bit left. There is a prong extending
    down from the tip of the right wing.

    For O-113 the A2 is slightly lower than the base of M.
    and the flag of the five is all under the arr. feathers.
    The prong extending down from the tip of the right wing
    is shorter than O-102.

    Notice the shape & size of the berries,,,O-102 are smaller & thin,
    O-113 are large & plump.
    O-102 Miss Liberty is stern & hard to get along with.
    O-113 Miss Liberty is happy & playing the piccolo.
    Now I've probably confussed every body !

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  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Give us the weight and specific gravity.

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    THANKS! I see all the differences much clearer in your images. Thanks for the education and the correction!

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very interesting... those are certainly fine details, but the pictures and explanations make it all clear.. Thank you very much... Cheers, RickO

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