Newp 1921 Peace Dollar. Grade added to first thread post. Question: Is this a VAM-3, ray thru L?
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I rolled the dice, thought it had potential of being incredibly well struck at minimum. What does the learned members think, I realize tough to do from a photo, and the seller's shadowed dark hard to see surfaces photo at that. All opinions welcome.
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...I can’t tell from the photo but I remember hearing that if Liberty looks like she spent a weekend with Ike Turner then it’s hammered on strike...I think they call it the apple cheek or something like that...no expert by any means but she looks wonderfully nice from here, Congrats
Nice strike for a '21. I hope it works out for you, Al.
Nice coin, I'd take that pretty lady out of the capital plastics holder! I don't see an apple cheek though.
Apple Cheek eh? Which Cheek?
I don't think I've seen too many 21's that aren't beautiful to me. Guess I need to dig out my 21. Haven't looked in so long I don't remember what the strike was like. I hope I remember phenomenal. .. but ... it was sooooo long ago
Damn...I love the color on that beauty.
p.s. it's not a proof.
Neither do I, but the strike is decent and the luster is better than average. Your coin shows a little shallowness centrally on the obverse, but the date struck up well.
I like the reverse also. Both sides are pretty clean in the fields, I'd say better than the average 21.
I would also take the Lady out for a walk........................maybe even move her to a new residence.
Pete
Nice ... looks a lot better than the general offerings I have seen lately (I have been looking at '21's)....I would have taken a chance on that one. Cheers, RickO
Looks nice, there is a bit of an issue on the reverse that maybe the seller was trying to hide with lighting. There is a mark from the U in united and onto the tail feathers. I hope it's not too distracting in hand.
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Really pretty. Hard to read the surface marks from here but I could see that as a 64.
Looks nice. Strike is above average but still showing significant weakness - easiest to see on the reverse where the feathers & leg show flatness and blend together.
How much is the seller asked for? It's a beautiful one....
why wasn't this submitted before? does look good but makes you wonder
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Nice.
Nice and it looks good in that holder!
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Submit the coin and let the chips fall where they may... What seems really unusual is the die pairings. And the reverse, at least from the image, is amazing. Good luck if you choose to submit.
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Certainly looks nicer than the 2 examples I possess. Congrats
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It's risky to hang your butt out the window grading by a picture, but I'd b surprised it if came back lower than a 64.
Sure... The reverse of the coin looks to have a full strike with sharper detail throughout the wing feathers and extending through the talons and claws than what is typically seen. The obverse has some flatness on the center high points of the hair which is quite common and more typical. That combination does not seem typical. Could grade higher than 63 given the look and overall appearance of the coin which is why I wrote the comment... Submit the coin and let the chips fall where they may. In the event you choose that route, hope the result turns out well
Edited to add... I don't think the grade was posted at the time of my initial comment-not that it changes my commentary. The obverse flatness seems more apparent in the first image than the second.
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Cool old photo cert! Is that a big reed mark along the ray above “ONE”? It seems unusually long to be that. I’d say a very nice 64, but would probably look OK in a 65 holder too.
Very nice. I would have been very tempted to buy this one if I had seen it first. Depending upon the price. I love the old photo Cert. There a piece of history on their own. Looks like a good strike to me.
The coin does have an "apple cheek". It doesn't show from your original pics, but does on the ANACS Cert.
Just goes to show what lighting, angle and sharpness can do to the "look" of a coin.
Pete
Looks like a gem to me, much better than average strike. I've seen these in 64 holder with nowhere near as much eye appeal.
I would need a better close-up of DOLLAR to make a accurate guess. Based upon the ANACS Photo it is not.
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Was this an ebay pickup? If so I'm surprised I didn't see it. I have a saved search for Unc '21 PD's that I check pretty regularly.
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An "Apple cheek" is a term used for the cream of the crop in terms of strike on 21 peace dollars. The upper cheek looks like the profile bulge of an apple. Your coin is nice and I do see a slight apple look to her but there are even stronger, fuller strikes out there. The more "apple-y" the look the more rare they are.
About being a VAM 3. The photo cert pic is undoubtedly of that coin. Strange how it looks like it's possible in the pics but not on the photo cert. Maybe @messydesk can hone in on any other pups to confirm or not. I haven't owned one so not too familiar with the variety.
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i'm pretty confident it isn't vam-3. the ray goes through the L pretty strongly and the one to the "viewers right" goes through the back of the next L also.
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President Harding referred to the prominent upper cheek as "Liberty's dimple," and though it should be made less noticeable. Evidently deFrancisci and Fraser decided not to make the change for 1921.
I'm thinking not VAM 3. The outline of the L on the cert is undisturbed, which is not the case for VAM 3. There are probably marks on the coin that make it look plausible in the other pictures. Nice coin, though!
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Can't tell by your photos, but the L appears to be intersected by the ray, and not beneath it. Probably my old eyes deceiving me. By the ANACS photo, I'd say "no".
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