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1926S Mercury Dime. Just back from PCGS. What do you see.

FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

What do you see or think about this dime? Please comment. Click on the pictures to make them bigger.


Ken

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PVC?

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    MattTheRileyMattTheRiley Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭

    Struck thru on obverse?

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    thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,758 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Doubled date ?

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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So far none of the above pertain to the coin.

    Ken

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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    Re-engraved center bands?

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

    obverse - cheek and in front of eye/nose/mouth the flow lines are wrong -> whizzed

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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lets get a few more answers/ideas and then I will come back and tell what is going on with this dime.

    Ken

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another vote for Re-engraved and wizzed

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sure looks double date to me, although you mentioned that's not it.

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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lite corrosion running from the "I" in DIME to the fasces.

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    bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Full bands yet major weakness in the hair. Re-engraved bands?

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tooled/Altered Surfaces.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    Full bands yet major weakness in the hair. Re-engraved bands?

    top and bottom bands looked tooled, but the ones in the middle that count could be legit.

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    erwindocerwindoc Posts: 4,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How about re-engraved obverse around the feathers in the cap? Rest of the strike is too soft.

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    bronze6827bronze6827 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭

    Holy crap I see it - it's a Mercury Dime!

    Actually, I see something that has been struck-over - almost like it was never ejected, but rotated or flipped. Almost certainly not that though, it would have far more remnants. The lines run from the cheek, out the chin, and around the motto, then horizontal through the neck. Reverse looks fairly normal besides the crisp torch lines.

    It doesn't feel like a strike-through to me. Perhaps struck over some other denomination? Something Philipino?

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bronze6827 said:
    Holy crap I see it - it's a Mercury Dime!

    Actually, I see something that has been struck-over - almost like it was never ejected, but rotated or flipped. Almost certainly not that though, it would have far more remnants. The lines run from the cheek, out the chin, and around the motto, then horizontal through the neck. Reverse looks fairly normal besides the crisp torch lines.

    It doesn't feel like a strike-through to me. Perhaps struck over some other denomination? Something Philipino?

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:

    @bronze6827 said:
    Holy crap I see it - it's a Mercury Dime!

    Actually, I see something that has been struck-over - almost like it was never ejected, but rotated or flipped. Almost certainly not that though, it would have far more remnants. The lines run from the cheek, out the chin, and around the motto, then horizontal through the neck. Reverse looks fairly normal besides the crisp torch lines.

    It doesn't feel like a strike-through to me. Perhaps struck over some other denomination? Something Philipino?

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Basically what happened on this one it was struck with a generous dab of lard that had inadvertently fallen on the die during pressing. They were able to separate out the worst examples but this one snuck through! You can see this if you rotate the coin in halogen light, the radial lines as well as silver striations were disrupted.

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :/

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hub doubled obverse. It's most apparent on the central obverse and designer's initials, and GOD.

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    spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The close up of the obverse shows whorls in the fields, consistent with whizzing as some have noted. The close up of the bands show razor thin divides that are not perfectly straight, consistent with re-engraving as some have noted. Any other issues?

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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see 62FB unless it got bagged for PVC

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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Actually, it would not be in a holder if it had PVC - so my guess is it graded low MS

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    oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok Ken, out with it. Past my bedtime.

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    davids5104davids5104 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭✭

    I agree with the bands being too sharp for the grade.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Added S?

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    .
    i'm in the whizzed camp (from the images)
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,543 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 26, 2018 8:37PM

    @CaptHenway said:
    Added S?

    Would not be in a holder with an added S (unless PCGS missed it). Forgot that is a key date! Maybe got a 58 due to some rub.

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    She's sportin a beard so some form of strike thru?

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Added S?

    I have a question on this note! With no disrespect to our host. If they grade as fast as I have heard......literly seconds. I think it would be very easy to miss such things as this. Just saying.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All the bands have been recut and the coin has been buffed to hide the alteration. The lighting makes it look whizzed.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Added S?

    I have a question on this note! With no disrespect to our host. If they grade as fast as I have heard......literly seconds. I think it would be very easy to miss such things as this. Just saying.

    No disrespect to anyone posting: This coin would look "altered surface" the second the grader started to remove it from the flip! Next, the reengraved bands would pop out as this is a perfect example of a very amateurish and crappy alteration.

    I can assure you with 100% certainty that there is not a professional grader at any major TPGS (and I'll include SEGS in this comment) that would miss this alteration. :)

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 26, 2018 9:41PM

    @erwindoc said:
    How about re-engraved obverse around the feathers in the cap? Rest of the strike is too soft.

    This is possible but the whizzing could cause what you see. With just an image, it is best to compare the head details with a genuine coin to rule out or confirm what you see.

    PS The important lesson from this coin is to look how strong and deep the bands are (they really screwed up the ones at the top) and the nick into the right field next to the band line where the tool went too far!

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    The important lesson from this coin is to look how strong and deep the bands are (they really screwed up the ones at the top) and the nick into the right field next to the band line where the tool went too far!

    Oh...ok..Now I see the tooling. Man your good, real good.....thanks for the lesson.

    Jim

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Added S?

    I have a question on this note! With no disrespect to our host. If they grade as fast as I have heard......literly seconds. I think it would be very easy to miss such things as this. Just saying.

    No disrespect to anyone posting: This coin would look "altered surface" the second the grader started to remove it from the flip! Next, the reengraved bands would pop out as this is a perfect example of a very amateurish and crappy alteration.

    I can assure you with 100% certainty that there is not a professional grader at any major TPGS (and I'll include SEGS in this comment) that would miss this alteration. :)

    But the recut bands are so obvious that one must wonder what else the TPG might have missed, if this piece was indeed slabbed by a TPG

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    But the recut bands are so obvious that one must wonder what else the TPG might have missed, if this piece was indeed slabbed by a TPG

    good point. this could just be in the inner rubber ring out of a holder.

    i see the obvious band alteration(s) now that others mentioned it.

    can't imagine having to be on my A game all day looking for things like this. i could see it getting easier the more i look at but simultaneously i can see becoming a bit desensitized to the minor alterations as well.

    good thread.
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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just wanted to get this coin into a genuine slab. I knew it had been smoothed/whizzed and had recut/tooled bands. Someone sure goofed up a nice key date Mercury Dime.

    Ken

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow...such a shame....and not a real good job either. Cheers, RickO

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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too bad - would have been an eye appealing AU58!

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    erwindocerwindoc Posts: 4,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for posting!

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Fairlaneman said:
    Just wanted to get this coin into a genuine slab. I knew it had been smoothed/whizzed and had recut/tooled bands. Someone sure goofed up a nice key date Mercury Dime.

    Ken

    This is why I suggested checking the Mint mark. Cheaper to mess up a 26-P. Check the edge near the Mint mark for evidence of a filled in embossing hole.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Curious, has anyone seen an embossed mint mark on a dime? Buffalo nickels and Morgan dollars is all I've seen. Any Peace dollars?

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have not, but I never say never!

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    mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    PS The important lesson from this coin is to look how strong and deep the bands are (they really screwed up the ones at the top) and the nick into the right field next to the band line where the tool went too far!

    Looks like the two hits inside the axe loop to the left of the top bands are also from the recutting tool. Great catch on the extraneous marks.

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WoodenJefferson said:
    Re-engraved center bands?

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reverse horizontal bands altered. Obverse altered - not esp. at nose and chin. Other problems.

    Not gradable and has been rendered nearly worthless. Sad.

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    bronze6827bronze6827 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭

    Label and thread mystery aside...

    This is what I was describing earlier. These lines stood out to me the instant I first looked at the picture. WHAT ARE THESE LINES?

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